An atheists Open Letter to Abrahamic Monotheists (Judaic, Christian and Islamic)

Can I offer an olive branch and some clarifications as I think I have confused and insulted some spiritual people. When I just want to show the FACTS as I see them. I mean no offence to true spiritual people ancient or modern! Its an atheists wake up call to the spiritually lazy!
I am certain in my belief ,just as others are certain in thiers,I wish them all well.
Everyday the multiverse amazes me as more possibilities burst into life.I see every human being as a finite piece of infinite possibility.
Mankind has infinite possible futures of dreams or nightmares ,our actions will decide our fates.
I believe that the more beliefs and ideas humanity has the better! It encourages debate and shows we are thinking!Ultimately I believe cultural diversity is just as important as bio-diversity.But not “western” mickey mouse “monoculturalism” aka multiculturalism.The world already IS MULTICULTURAL!! We need to keep it that way!
BUT some Abrahamic monotheists seem to be cultural supremicists and wish us “non-believers” ill will and hold other cultures and philosophies in contempt,and seem bent on blowing up OUR planet so YOUR god can rule on Earth ,presumably with them at his side as “chosen ones”…or somewhere in the crowd.
The delusion of grandure is breathtaking .The disrepect for non-believers is unbelievable!!!!! AND IMHO UNACCEPTABLE! BUT of course its not THEM its God!?!…god always gets the blame ….BUT the hypocracy is also astounding as if they where to be treated in the same manner ,Jews ,Christian or Muslim ,we would never hear then end of it .BUT outragous claims need extreme evidence!And for Abrahamic monotheism there is no evidence,even after digging up the whole of Palestine ,but they still want to culturally rule and destroy the world.
Faith is a belief without evidence.So a discussion on faith is pointless.
Science finds evidence with which we can base our beliefs.We must be prepared to disgard beliefs that are UNTRUE!
A belief in an Abrahamic one god is in reality irrelevant, its like believing in Santa Claus.
BUT its Actions and effects are very very REAL.Abrahamic monotheism actions and effects on humanity include genocide ,cultural extermination, the burning of books and free thinkers,the spread of disease and slavery ,bigotry ,theft, paedophilia, and some are very determined to blow up the world!!
It brought us the Dark Ages , the Inquistion , witch burnings , book burnings ,crusades ,slavery .Can you list any benefits this belief system has brought to humanity?

BUT Surely Jews ,Christians and Muslims all worship the same god and believe the same stories of this god of “love”. Why are you not all loving brothers? ..and if god is all powerful and omnipresent he already rules the Earth! So what is going on?

So are you all insane?
Delsuional disorder also has good grounds for consideration. Being “touched by the gods” has always been slang for what we would call insane today . When we see the amount of political “clinical insanity” that goes on in government ,it is just as likely to manifest in religious institutions! Power corrupts and absolute powers attracks the absolutely corrput,secular or religious!
Study: Politicians share personality traits with serial killers
Kouri, who’s a vice president of the National Assn. of Chiefs of Police, has assembled traits such as superficial charm, an exaggerated sense of self-worth, glibness, lying, lack of remorse and manipulation of others.
These traits, Kouri points out in his analysis, are common to psychopathic serial killers.
Kouri notes that these criminals are psychologically capable of committing their dirty deeds free of any concern for social, moral or legal consequences and with absolutely no remorse.
“This allows them to do what they want, whenever they want,” he wrote. “Ironically, these same traits exist in men and women who are drawn to high-profile and powerful positions in society including political officeholders.”
A study of personality types once found that as a group, serial killers scored highest in “superficial charm, an exaggerated sense of self-worth, glibness, lying, lack of remorse and manipulation of others.” The other highest-scoring group for these undesirable traits? Politicians.
The following can indicate a delusion:
1.The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2.That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient’s life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3.Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4.The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5.There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
7.The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient’s social and cultural background.
8.The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
9.The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
10.Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.
FeaturesThe following features are found:
1.It is a primary disorder.
2.It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the patient clings with extraordinary tenacity.
3.The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.
4.The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
5.The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional beliefs.
6.The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.

Gods and governments are the GAGS on society.They are the power institutions that attract the corrupt . Its just population control and will quite possible be the cause of the death of mankind,even planet Earth. There are two types of secualr and religious oppressors,the active and the passive. The passive one just supports the idea either through deception , naievity ,peer pressure ,slow wits or unquestioning lazyness, the active ones take the reins of religious and secular power for themselves and enforces it in thier image! One is selfish and power hungery and possibly insane,the other a useful idiot to selfish power hungry people.
They quite often join forces against the population.Religious fascism joins secular fascism.BUT the secular power hungry are not so keen to destroy the world, this world is thier gravy train ,not the heavenly one to come. It is when insane fascist religious Abrahamic monotheists join with insane fascist secular military industrial complexs that the very survival of humanity and even planet Earth is at stake!!!!! If you see these people hanging around nuclear arsenals muttering scripture , SHOOT THEM ,like the mad dogs they are!!! They have NO RESPECT for YOU or your loved one , there is no need to show them any!

BUT Abrahamic monotheists all seem to know what god is thinking and it seems he always hates the same people they do! But he seems to say one thing to one version of Abrahamic monotheists and a different thing to another version of Abrahamic monotheists.So either they are mad and hearing voices in thier heads seems god hates you all and is happy to slaughter you, but remember this is a shepard viewing sheep ,so what did you expect?! It’s what shepards do, sell, slaughter and devour sheep for a living,even the good ones! Apparently he collects foreskins and does real estate deals too.BUT there is NO archeological evidence of his stories and God according to the bible also thinks the world is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth, this also suggests his stories are untrue ,and when we are tripping over massive pagan temples all over the place, where is the Abrahamic monotheist relics! Try pointing out these FACTS and the Abrahamic monotheist gets very emotional.This certainly suggests DELUSION!
BUT I think others know its all a lie ,even popes have admitted this,and just use the religious institution for population control ,wealth accumulation and a cover for thier perversions and concider the “believers” useful idiots, and a flock of sheeple to be fleeced! The people I’m talking about are the modern Abrahamic monotheist Inquisition who keep the lie alive  by the use of threats .blackmail and coersion. While they prop up dictators and protect paedophiles and continue spreading perfumed lies and blood soaked actions.

The modern Abrahamic monotheist inquisition is still alive and well. Book burning and witch hunting.
Removing chapters from the Golden Bough
Removing chapters from modern scientific DNA and immounology books.
Destroying ancient artifacts that disprove thier false beliefs
BUT its all in vain, thanks to science and archelogy,DNA and original texts ,all things that would damn you in a court of law ,even if you denied the charges ,WE KNOW WHO ,HOW and WHY your version of Abrahamic monotheism was INVENTED!!

Judaism ,was invented by Cyrus the Great c 450BC.Cyrus the Great was thier Messiah .It was Egyptian/Hyksos SET worship converted to Zoroastrianism and sent off to be a buffer state for the Persian Empire. ….So NO you are not gods chosen people, any more than Aryans are the master race!!!

Christianity was invented by Constantine the Great c325AD. It was monotheistic sun worshipped based around the Persian Ahruh Mazda/Mithras(Zoroastrian)beliefs, with Egyptian sun worship ,Greek philosophy and Druidic and Brahim influences. Hesus Krishna (aka Jesus Christ) was voted into existance 157 to 161 at the first council of Niceae. He was inventing a Roman Unified Religion for his newly unified Roman Empire.It was converted to messianic Judaism by the Byzantine Empire c787AD . Yes “christians” look at the ORIGINAL New Testamnet ,Jesus was NOT JEWISH!!

Islam was invented by Nestorian and Ebonite “heretics” who had lost a Byzantine power struggle.It was Quyrash moon worship converted to messianic Judaism.It went on to destroy the Byzantine and Persian Empires and marched into Europe ,spreading slavery!

SO Is Abrahamic monotheism the church of satan,the “anti-spiritual truth” ? are you being decieved by satanic powers?
Comparing Abrahamic monotheists to satanists is not something new or uncommon.Its just YOU as an Abrahamic monotheist would not hear such things.
The Cathars believed that the Vactican represented “Rex Mundis” material throne on earth.The Vatican failed to change thier minds in theological debate ,so they slaughtered every man ,woman and child ,to prove them wrong?!?!A stratagey they where to repeat adnauseum. Some Protestant Christians believe the pope is the anti-christ,but then some also thought burning women alive was next to “godlyness”. A lot of orthodox Judaic and Islamic Abrahamic monotheists think the same. But a lot of christian abrahamic monotheists think the same about Islam ,with its “satanic verses” or the Judaic “synagoge of satan”. The spread of Abrahamic monotheism in all its versions is the documented spread of genocide ,disease and slavery and the destruction of cultures and knowledge.
The FACT that ALL 3 versions of Abrahamic monotheism can be traced to a man and a motive ,the acquasition of material wealth and power, seems to be lost on its followers. It is basically re-written paganism and original fascism .Also there are not versions of atheists running around advocating the end of the world and the slaughter of other atheists,like the Abrahamic monotheists do!! Also There was NO satan before Abrahamic monotheism! So which “one god” do you worship? IMHO Unquestioning loyalty and blind obedience are not good personal traits and leave you open to deception!! Remember there is a big difference between knealing down and bending over ,and it is better to give than recieve as the Abrahamic monotheists like to say,are you just bending over and recieving gods love? BTW Shepards slaughter and feed off thier flocks, so being the sheep in this bargin is not a good deal either! And I am NOT sure blaming “god” for YOUR actions is really a good idea!
“Pagans” point out that Judo/Christian beliefs are copies that twist the meanings of the original texts.
Pagans believed in a Supreme Being ,that created mankind and the gods. Today Abrahamic monotheists believe the same thing except god is now the supreme being and the gods are called angels ,demons, devils,saints,cheribs etc.
In the original Sumerian texts of creation ,the texts that the old testament copies, it is the god Enki/Ea that creates mankind. He is then overpowerder by Enlil who tries to destroy mankind. It is Enki/Ea who then saves humanity and gives humanity knowledge.In Sumerian texts after the flood mankind agrees to control its breeding ,and NOT “go forth and multuply”.Enki’s symbol was the snake.Enlil is the usurper god worshipped in the judo/christian beliefs.
A lot of spiritual pagan people agrue that Abrahamic monotheism is just evil worship,designed to twist the truth and destroy true spirituality!

MYSTERY BABYLON Documentary – (what they do not want you to know)

A religious person explaining why Abrahamic monotheism(Catholic Christian branch) is actually worshipping the Anti-christ

The History Of The Devil

In this documentry we find Satan is a godlike being created by Abrahamic monotheists. Each claims the other has Satan as thier leader.

True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity, which was our True Creator (Satan’s) intention.
We know Satan/Lucifer as a real being.
We know Satan to be the True Father and Creator God of humanity.
We know “Yaweh/Jehova” of the bible to be a fictitious entity, and the people behind coercing this lie, to be the true deceivers of humanity and the masters of lies. This is evident in the many contradictions within the Judeo/Christian Bible, revealing this text to be the work of human beings who had occult knowledge and infused it with power to make it credible, and to incite fear in order to control.
We are law abiding.
We DO NOT advocate or participate in any blood or living sacrifice. This act is Judeo/Christian, as stated in their Bible-  Deuteronomy 12:27:
“And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.”
We have found Satanism is the original religion of humanity. We have done our research. Satanism is based upon the ancient religions that predated Judaism and Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years.
Christianity was a reaction to the original Pagan religions, labeled as “Satanism” meaning “enemy/adversary” in Hebrew. If you read through the information contained within this website, we prove this.
Satanism seems to be a form of monotheistic paganism.They believe Abraham invented a false god! It also shows that Abrahamic monotheisms beliefs and rituals are taken from the older pagan beliefs.It also shows this Abrahamic belief is NOT monotheism but dualtheism at least? Also Abrahamic monotheists claim to be “monotheistic” but believe in a heirarchy of divine entities ,some adveserial. Therefore Abrahamic monotheisms religious philosophy makes no sense to me and could actually be the worship of the “fallen one”.BUT I am still an atheist and believe in neither satan or jehovah!

That is why I believe that Abrahamic monotheism is the opposite of Spiritual Truth
The multi’beliefs that show spiritual truth
Before Abrahamic monotheism different peoples would compare gods and even merge them, because they saw the same god just called a different name in  a different culture, to me that sounds like a spiriual truth.Be it Australian aborigine ,American indian , Eskimo , Druid ,Hindu ,Persian,Aztec ,Egyptian ,Sumerian etc..all diferent cultural beliefs BUT ALL share a similar “spiritual truth”.Please look into the Proto-Indo-Europen religion and you will discover the true origins of even your religion. The Proto-Indo-European religion is the hypothesized religion of the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) peoples based on the existence of similarities among the deities, religious practices and mythologies of the Indo-European peoples.

This is one example of what I mean by “the more beliefs the better” and the “spiritual truth” that is found in each.
BUT Abrahamic monotheism is something completely different, it destroys the spiritual truth and the culture and replaces it with dogma and falsehoods, its just original fascism,that is why it keeps teaming up with secular fascism.It held humanity back for a thousand years! It destroyed truths and spread lies.Please look at its track record!
Truth can handle awkward questions.Its lies that need laws threats and unquestioning dogma to survive.
Paganism empowered the individual ,gods could be seen as archetypes that effected thier lives, fertility wealth ,weather, wine etc and the individual could negociate with these effects ,for all the good it did. BUT it did encourage individual thought and action.They could be concidered mental icons to meditate on. But should we all start worshipping the “old gods” and claim to be truely spiritual again? No ,I don’t think so.I don’t think it works like that.
If we can survive without the “true gods” ,then why do we need false ones?
Basically an Abrahamic monotheist is just an atheist that believes in one more god.If you can tell me why you do not believe in the other gods ,you have also just explained why I do not believe in yours.BUT an Abrahamic monotheist is more likely to commit a monstous act and blame it on an imaginary friend!Can you find spiritual enlightenment in Abrahamic monotheism , yes its possible ,but in theory a true spiritual person seeking enlightenment could have an epiphney walking into starbucks!So spiritual enlightenment like compassion ,decency ,tolerance and goodness all existed before Abrahamic monotheism and will still exist afterwards. These are human traits ,not religious or scientific in nature, there are no justice molecules or fairness atoms in the multiverse.

A belief in “god” is irrelevant, its a gods belief in YOU that would be relevant! SO be very aware if you advocate global destruction or paedophile protection or cultural supremecy in gods name,you might be pissing god off more than me!!!
BUT as I said belief is IRRELEVANT! Its your actions that count. People can believe the strangest things and still be decent good human beings.Some people believe god is an alien, and there is no harm in that either.Just because we do not share the same beliefs does not mean we do not share the same values. YOU do not have to justify your existance any more than the trees or the stars ,but be honest to yourself and others .You are here ,YOU are now ,YOU can make a difference. Strive to be good and happy!
That is all any god or man can ask.

Abrahamic monotheists cast your religious nets out and discover other belief systems and compare the similarities not the differences. Treat others as you would treat yourself. Start practicing what you preach. What do you have to fear but enlightenment?
I do not believe in Santa Claus BUT I still enjoy the winter solstace festivaties and try and be on his “nice list”
Gods or no gods , Peace on Earth and Goodwill to mankind is a very good idea!! So maybe we should stop talking about it and DO IT!!
REMEMBER humanities’ story began in mythology with an act of religious defiance, it may well end in reality with an act of religious obedience! ..and at the end of the day what has an all powerful god got to fear from a meer mortal.Personally I fear no gods ,its his followers that scare me!
A Merry Winter Solstace and a Happy New Year to everyone!
Violence breeds violence
education breeds understanding
Peace On Earth and Goodwill to Mankind!

P.S. As it is 2012 lets hope the Mayans where full of sh1t  too 😉

12 Responses to An atheists Open Letter to Abrahamic Monotheists (Judaic, Christian and Islamic)

  1. Eamon says:

    Not to rain on what seems to be a sincerely offered piece, but it is impossible to define what good will is or is not, etc., when one takes an atheistic stance. If there is no God and all ends with death, life is just an utterly meaningless absurdity — and it is completely irrational to care at all about various injustices (which cannot even be accurately defined with the atheist paradigm) or to oppose them. The claim that it is our actions that count means absolutely nothing if we all cease to exist upon our death. I could expose the myriad errors presented, but I do not have the desire or the time — and mere argument, however clear, does not bring anyone around. Life experience plays a very large part.

    While the author admittedly makes some very good points, he also confounds many things along the way, muddying the waters when I presume the hope was to clarify them. Still, I thank the author for making an honest effort.

    FWIW, Tolstoy went through a period of unbelief, but he was intelligent enough and consistent enough to grasp that, if he were correct about the non-existence of God, the only rational response is suicide. If anyone cares to read his thoughts on the matter, you may find them here:

  2. cuthulan says:

    Eamon thank you for your sincerity and openmindedness. But I think you concider atheism as a “one choice solution”. I do not see it as such.
    Your view of atheism is non-senseical and goes against science.You are suggesting the energy that makes US ,just disappears?!?!? This is absurd and demonstratably false!
    Energy equals mass time the speed of light square.
    This means mass and energy are the same substance just in a different form, and we know and can prove that you cannot destroy energy, it just changes form with 100% efficiency! To me this means we are all immortal and just change form. Its all very ZEN in fact!
    Everything that makes up the universe today including yourself ,has been here in one form or another since the creation of the universe and will be here until the universe ends!
    we are star dust ,harvesting star light!
    Abrahamic monotheism made me a proud atheist, scientific research and pagan ideology made me struggle with agnostasism!
    Ultimately we are such a infinitly small part of a greater whole ,that the truth for now is well beyong the priest ,rabbi ,iman or even the priestess or scientist. If I ever find the answer I’ll let you know.
    BUT I am without doubt whan I say Abrahamic monotheism is just original fascism. Its an invention of MEN with swords in thier hands and greed in thier hearts.If gods and goddesses exist, it could well be the worship of EVIL! Just look at its REAL effects on humanity ,not its pretty words.
    Can you give ONE benefit that Abrahamic monotheism has brought to humanity? Do you believe we are living in the “End Times”? and do you understand what a self-fullfilling prophecy is?
    You claim I have muddied the waters ,when I claim to have clarified them! Can you point out where I have muddied the waters and can you clarify this statement?
    Of course belief is irrelevant! Its your values and actions that are important. we may have different beliefs ,but still share the same values.
    You seem to believe in this Abrahamic monotheistic god , but you also seem to be an honest ,decent tolerant human being in your actions!!
    Can I thank you too for your genuineness and honesty.
    May I say you are a credit to your beliefs, and I hope you have a Happy New Year.

  3. It is quite interesting that I just completed a blog post that centers on the alleged prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation. The research I did, just as background, turned up numerous inconsistencies that is really a reflection of those religions that were based loosely on Egyptian sun god worship. With their own texts, it can be plainly seen that the forces of good and evil – supposedly Yahweh and “the devil” – work in collusion quite often. The basis of Judaism is both racist and prejudice and I agree with you that truth is replaced with superstition and propaganda, insisting that “Jews” are superior beings to all others and the chosen ones of god. If this is the case, I want nothing to do with their petty, cruel and vindictive god.

    One aspect of the Ten Commandments that confused me for quite some time is that there is no provision for the protection of children. For a group of people in hostile territory, making enemies of nearly every race they encountered, ensuring that enough children were produced to carry on the race. They are our most precious resource, so why no protection? We find out in the Talmud, of course, that the “great” sage Maimonides put his seal of approval on and condoned the marriage of 3 year old girls to priests. We also see another religious organization, an offshoot of Judaism, that has allowed its priest to rape and torture children with impunity..

    I’m rambling now but wanted to tell you I appreciated this article, as it was extremely timely for me. There is no doubt that religion in general has provided crucial assistance to those in need. Unfortunately, their mindset, to a large degree, remains locked in the bronze age. Yes, the purposeful twisting of verses to prove some point, normally out of context, can hardly be considered spiritual or even “Christ-like”.

    • cuthulan says:

      Thank you for your time and comments. I am glad it has struck a chord with you. I agree as well about this belief system feeding on children! It feeds on war and slavery as well, that is why I think that IF there where REAL anthropomorphic deities, then the god of abrahamic is the fallen one!! Just look at his track record and compare it to its words.
      “we come in peace,shoot to kill”

  4. Mikey Oengus says:

    Sorry cuthulan, but as much as I love your socio-political assessment of modern happenings on this crazy planet, I am bewildered at the manner in which some people take such faith in these flimsy theories of Christ – Krishna- Hesus….. etc

    The stories of Jesus being a false composite of ancient deities, is nothing new and have been debunked for some time. Mithraic worship at its height in the Roman Empire tried to copy many aspects of Christianity, something of which at that time Christians vehemently opposed, the Hittites however worshipped Mithra in a different way and form and much much earlier, where no similarities to Christianity can be offered. I will not attempt to dispel the large number of these weak hypothesis here, hostly I can’t be bothered, though you need to challenge yourself here. These theories have spread like wild fire on the net, something that grows from a mere popular mode of thinking, for its trendy and acceptable to dislike Christianity today and will continue to be that way until peoples critic turns into outright hate and violence towards the Church.

    The Church has collectively failed to live by what they believe time again and again, but I believe in God and not man, theres the dividing line for me, man will always fail…… but God gives us grace and a better way through faith. People are motivated in their opposition to religion by its hypocrsiy i think ………. sad to think huh?


    The anti religious or Christian and atheistic push to discredit God speaks of people’s prejudice towards Christianity rather then the truth of religious history. The reason for such the individual needs to look deeper within to understand! Why are people so gravitated to such a theory, why does it have them wringing their hands with delight to think they are disposing of a religion??

    I won’t bother writing a long post here, both rather admonish you to respectfully read and make references to the sources these Jesus myths are sighting, as I know you will be amazed at how many of these claims are hearsay and remain unsubstantiaited, some people on the net are offering large sums of money to present evidence to support these weak assumptions, but no one has received the money yet, may be you can or can not? Let me know how you go, that is if you take up the challenge?

    Here’s one such person

    see here too ;

    BUy this >>>

    p.s, I remember a passionate pagan debunking these myths also, being a long student in such history he was able to aptly show no relationship between Hesus and Jesus…… etc

    We all need to hit the books and not trust so easily the internet spread of information some times?


    • cuthulan says:

      Thank you Mike for your thoughts ,comments and compliment. BUT sorry Mike, I too have been doing research and I have debunked the debunkers,many times!! I too do not have the time to give all the evidence ,THAT is why I made the 3 part blog on abrahamic monotheism! I give references to my statements in my blogs on abrahamic monotheism, you will find even more in the comments if you look! Please give some references to your statements! Do not fall into the abrahamic monotheistsic R.U.T!(Repeat Until True) These people still burn and destroy evidence today!
      Please do some research into zoroastrianism ,or the proto-indo-european religions.Much ,much older beliefs but contain all the stories and rituals of abrahamic monotheism.Archeology proves this.
      Here are a few example you can check for yourself
      These included the restructured writings of Apollonius of Tyana, a first-century wandering sage,these make part of the New Testimonies (Secrets of the Christian Fathers,op. cit.). the Church today calls those writings the Epistles of Paul.
      Apollonius’s personal attendant, Damis, an Assyrian scribe, is Demis in the New Testament (2 Tim. 4:10).
      Narratives from the ancient Indian epic, the “Mahabharata”, appear verbatim in the Gospels even today (e.g., Matt. 1:25, 2:11, 8:1-4, 9:1-8, 9:18- 26),
      Passages from the P h e n o m e n a of the Greek statesman Aratus of Sicyon (271–213 BC) are in the New Testament.
      Extracts from the Hymn to Zeus, written by Greek philosopher Cleanthes (c. 331–232 BC), are also found in the Gospels,
      Also 207 words from the Thais of Menander (c. 343–291 BC), one of the “seven wise men” of Greece.
      Quotes from the semi-legendary Greek poet Epimenides (7th or 6th century BC) are applied to the lips of Jesus Christ,
      Seven passages from the curious Ode of J u p i t e r (c. 150 BC; author unknown) are reprinted in the New Testament.
      The MASS of CHRIST is December the 25th!!
      Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies Solis—day of the sun, “Sunday”—as the Roman day of rest
      On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.
      The Romans held a festival on December 25 of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, “the birthday of the unconquered sun.”
      Constantine was King of the(Gaulic/Celtic)Britons n,before he was emperor.
      The Divine Woodman ,Esus or Hesus (“lord” or “master”) was a Gaulish god known from two monumental statues and a line in Lucan’s Bellum civile.According to the Berne Commentary on Lucan, human victims were sacrificed to Esus by being tied to a tree and flailed.If Esus was a god of vegetation, once represented by a tree, this would explain why, as the scholiast on Lucan relates, human sacrifices to Esus were suspended from a tree.
      The pagan concept of a “Dying and Resurrecting god” pre-dates christian beliefs by 1000’s of years!!!!! You are completely in denial if you cannot see this! The original “New Testament” did not contain the “ressurrection” scene, it first appreared in the new testament in the 6th/7th century AD,just further proof of the “invention” of this belief and its re-writting of stolen pagan religious concepts. Please check todays New Testament and compare with the Vatican bible (6th century) or the Book of Kells or the Lindisfarne gospels!
      Paul: “If Christ has not been raised, your faith is in vain” (1 Cor. 5:17). The resurrection verses in today’s Gospels of Mark are universally acknowledged as forgeries and the Church agrees, saying “the conclusion of Mark is admittedly not genuine … almost the entire section is a later compilation”(Encyclopaedia Biblica, vol. ii, p.1880, vol. iii, pp. 1767, 1781;)The final chapter of the Gospel of John (21) is a sixth-century forgery,one entirely devoted to describing Jesus’ resurrection to his disciples. The Church admits: “The sole conclusion that can be deduced from this is that the 21st chapter was afterwards added and is therefore to be regarded as an appendix to the Gospel” (Catholic Encyclopedia, Farley ed., vol. viii, pp. 441-442; N e w Catholic Encyclopedia (N C E), “Gospel of John”, p. 1080; also NCE, vol. xii, p. 407).
      “the earliest of the extant manuscripts [of the New Testament], it is true, do not date back beyond the middle of the fourth century AD” (Catholic Encyclopedia, op. cit., pp. 656-7).
      Hesus (Mark 1:9),… doesn’t know of Mary, a virgin birth or mass murders of baby boys by Herod. (Mark 1:1), and the modern-day family tree tracing a “messianic bloodline” back to King David is non-existent in all ancient Bibles, as are the now-called “messianic prophecies” (51 in total) No supernatural appearance of a resurrected Jesus Christ is recorded in any ancient Gospels
      They are also lacking in the oldest Armenian version of the New Testament, in sixth-century manuscripts of the Ethiopic version and an ancient Latin manuscript of Mark, code-named “K” by analysts.
      The Liberian Catalogue and the Liber Pontificalis both date his(Linus) Episcopate to 56–67 during the reign of Nero
      Simply put, there were no Christian popes for many centuries;they were the Mithraic fathers of Rome, and “the chief of the[Mithraic] fathers, a sort of pope, who always lived at Rome,was called “Pater Patrum” (Catholic Encyclopedia, x, pp. 402-404).Some even called themselves after the Zoroastrian god, an excellent example being Pope Hormisdas (514–523)
      Pope Hormisdas (514–523AD), whose name is Persian for Ahura Mazda. Of him, the Church said “his name presents an interesting problem” and added this curious comment:”St Hormisdas owes his canonisation to an unofficial tradition”(The Popes: A Concise Biographical History, Burns & Oates,Publishers to the Holy See, London, 1964, p. 81). His”considerable numbers of recalcitrant bishops”were devotees of Ahura Mazda, supporting Mithraic doctrine (ibid.)

      As for the prize for debunking religion! Well that old trap has been used many times ,it depends on the level of proof required by the arbitrator,its not who votes ,its who counts the votes sort of thing.
      Let me put it this way , IF we both had the same requirements to prove our beliefs I would be bringing MORE proof to the table than anyone that believes in abrahamic monotheism!!!!SO I would be the winner by point score ,rather than knock-out. Please show me this proof of god. When archeologists check his stories ,we find that they are lies! We find his words stolen from pagan originals and his real actions on Earth are monsterous!
      Can I ask you Mike, you accuse me of having it in for christianity.Which I do not , I just do not believe in abrahamic monotheism in any form! It seems you are happy for me to slander Judaic or Islamic beliefs but not christian……how very christian of you.
      BUT like yourself , we both see a crazy planet and IMHO our beliefs are irrelevant its our VALUES and our ACTIONS that are relevant.IF they are good , then the belief is completely irrelevant!
      You can believe in santa claus, but it is whether or not santa thinks you are naughty or nice ,that is RELEVANT!Just because someone believes in santa claus does not mean that they are on his nice list, so even the belief itself is irrelevant.
      Just do the right thing ,its really not that difficult, and you do not need an all powerful mythical being to be able to do this!

  5. cuthulan says:

    @Eamon and Mikey
    What this post is ,is my personal TRUTH. It is my BELIEF.It is a belief I have tried and tested and found to be solid.
    This “belief” does not effect my VALUES.I believe in honesty ,fairness, justice ,tolerance ,compassion and that humanity has the ability to achieve true greatness.
    What you state is YOUR belief and I have no doubt you are being personally truthful.
    BUT as I said beliefs are IRRELEVANT!
    IF your VALUES are also good and you act on your values ,then humanity and planet Earth is the better for us ALL being part of it.
    IT is when beliefs starting effecting your values so you can commit monsterous acts ,in the name of god,(but I really think god has nothing to do with these acts, its the acts of delusional humans,) that we have a problem. IMHO Abrahamic monotheism is an invention that could kill us all. It is probably MORE DANGEROUS than big government or big corporations.
    BUT I have no axe to grind against christianity or any other form of Abrahamic monotheism.
    I came about these facts while researching the history of the Celtic people using archeology ,DNA and original texts,I was inspired to do this by an Australian Aboriginal elder ,whom I was staying with as a guest.
    It was while researching the factual evidence of the “Book of Conquests” that I came across the Celtic Exodus from Egypt! Yes it is claimed Scotland is named after a Pharohess called Scotia. FYI Ramoses II was a red-headed Berber, or genetically African Celtic!There is more evidence of a Celtic exodus than there is a “jewish”one! But we do know the invading Set worshipping semitic Hyksos where run out of Egypt and destroyed by Ahmose I at this time.FYI Ahmose seems to have been a monotheist from his stela inscriptions. The Hyksos where polytheists that worshipped Set .
    It was researching into the roots of Druidism that I discovered Constantine was King of the Celtic Britons ,then Emperor of the Gaulic Western Empire and then Emperor of a United Roman Empire. He then went on to invent a religion to put an end tp religious swabbles that threaten his newly united empire ,joining the Western Druidic Hesus with the Eastern Brahim Krishna ,(Hesus Krishna)he invented a unified roman religion.FYI Druidism was just western Brahimism(Hinduism).
    As you can see I did not surf the internet for religious conspiracies nor did I ever have it in for “christianity”, it was more a series of revelations which brought me to an unescapable conclusion. But still I said nothing because Abrahamic monotheism means nothing to me ,my interest was in RE-DISCOVERING the TRUE Celtic history and culture.My Roots.
    So long as you guys do not threatening my loved ones and are not trying to bring about the end of times ,then please go about your business with my best wishes.
    BUT if I was to find one molesting my kids ,or being a biggot or race/cultural supremcist ,claim my land or home ,or trying to start a global war you will be on the recieving end of my Celtic WRATH and your prayers , gods even satan himself would not be able to save you from it!!!
    But of coarse I do not think either of you would be involved in such things, and remember variety is supposed to be the spice of life.
    Violence breeds violence
    Education breeds understanding
    Peace to Everyone

  6. Eamon says:

    Peace to you, too, Cuthulan 🙂

    “Everything that makes up the universe today including yourself, has been here in one form or another since the creation of the universe and will be here until the universe ends!”

    Where did the energy, matter, etc., come from if, as you say, it was created? Where did the universe come from? Why do you speak of its creation and its ending? Who or what created it? Nothing comes from nothing; neither simple nor complex contingent systems make themselves. That would be just as impossible as a watch just making itself if the necessary material were placed on a table — not happening, right?

    As for good values, etc., I would ask: How do you, or any of us, know what is good? You show and have shown good will in this discussion, but you must see that what we believe has an enormous impact upon our values. If I believe, for example, that child sacrifice is good and necessary, I am going to take measures that all sane men know are reprehensible. If we value honesty, it is necessary that we also believe that objective truth exists and can be known — and that the same truth can be known by ALL, or else everyone is liable to have his own standard where honesty is concerned (which renders all talk of honesty meaningless). If there is no discernible, universal standard, discussions of right versus wrong, etc., are completely pointless — and so is life itself.

    As for the existence of a supreme, necessary Being, the existence of contingent beings requires it. None of us created ourselves.

    The questions surrounding the authenticity of the various sacred texts, or the justified indignation at the evil deeds of those claiming to know or represent God, etc., have nothing to do with whether or not the existence of a supreme, necessary Being can be known by the light of reason.

    Much love and peace of mind and heart to you, Cuthulan. Thank you for taking the time to consider the comments and offer sincere replies.

    • cuthulan says:

      Gods or no gods ,you seem to be genuinely good guy and a credit to your beliefs.
      As for where did energy and matter come from? Well using scientific research we might find that out. But if you are just going to say god created it, we will never know!Who knows you might be right! BUT Also this prompts the just as relevent question, Who created god?
      Scientifically speaking god is gravity.
      The uncreated creator, omnipotent and eternal, creator of stars ,planets and people ,its surrounds and penetrates you right now. Without it nothing would exist.
      As for beliefs effecting your values ,this is very true in SOME cases, but I would say its the belief in mythical supreme beings that are the most likely to effect your values. Believe in absurdities and you can commit atrocities,things like child sacrifice, and you can blame god! Athiests have no need to sacrifice anyone to a mythical being. In most cases it is delusional beliefs that effect values. These people are just insane.
      BUT bad things can be done by good people in bad situations as well.
      All I was trying to point out is spiritualism is a valid subject ,it comes in many forms ancient and modern ,ALL are as equally relevant. Spiritual fascism ,like secular fascism ,is not a good thing! and Abrahamic monotheism is most definately an invention of men! Does this mean that there is no REAL spiritualism or god/gods/goddesses? NO.
      BUT IMHO anthropomorphic deities are very unlikely indeed.
      Thank you too for your time and comments and genuineness and tolerance.
      May I wish you and your loved ones and your god all the best.

    • cuthulan says:


      “Nothing comes from nothing, neither simple nor complex”

      YES ,but this would also include god, where did he/she/they come from?

      “Values ,How do any of us know what is good?”

      For most of us its human nature. If you read ancient texts you will find justice ,compassion and tolerance in them as well.Abrahamic monotheism has nothing to do with the spread of good values,in fact IMHO it may have the opposite effect!There are coutless tales of happy pagan natives that did no evil ,being turned into christians that did no good! BUT these human values existed before abrahamic monotheism ,they will still exist afterwards….so long as humans still exist afterwards
      Science also has nothing to do with spreading good values ,there are no justice molecules or compassion atoms to be created or destroyed.
      IMHO humans are in general, very decent creatures. It is governments and religious authoritarians, with thier lies ,dogma and threats that make humans into animals!
      Humans where once descibed to me as closely grouped angels in blindfolds beating the sh!t out of each other because someone shouted out a lie!
      “We are Surrounded by Demons!!”
      Humanity must stop lashing out and take off thier blindfolds, and see humans for the the angels they can be and not the demons we percieve them to be.
      It is governments and religious institutions that tend to be the loudest shouters of lies!!

      ” If we value honesty, it is necessary that we also believe that objective truth exists and can be known — and that the same truth can be known by ALL, or else everyone is liable to have his own standard where honesty is concerned (which renders all talk of honesty meaningless). If there is no discernible, universal standard, discussions of right versus wrong, etc., are completely pointless — and so is life itself.”

      Dangerous ground here…IMHO there is only personal Truth , as we all are the centre of our percieved multi/universe ,we all have a unique veiw of it and therefore a inique belief/opinion/personal truth.We must ALL speak our personal truths ,and it is listening and understanding other peoples personal truths and understanding them ,that a GREATER TRUTH comes into veiw.
      This idea of a ONE TRUTH that ALL must share starts getting into religious fascism! Ones mans Truth is anothers mans enforced dogma ,and so the greater truth get further away.Never close your mind and always test your beliefs ! We must be prepared to disgard beliefs we find to be UNTRUE! This is the way humanity progresses. Truth can handle awkward questions, and so can enlightenment!

      “As for the existence of a supreme, necessary Being, the existence of contingent beings requires it. None of us created ourselves.”

      Actually science demands that not only we exist ,BUT so do countless others!
      When dealing with concepts like infinity , ALL MUST BE POSSIBLE!
      To say that chances of life existing are a billion to one must be concidered with the fact that a TRILLION is still a small number compared to infinity! In a trillion stars there must be on average a 1000 forms of life!
      What I find truelly “magical” in the make-up of this multi/universe is the behaviour of electrons. They change thier behaviour when we observe them, this can be scientifically demonstrated!! They behave like wave patterns and will effect the universe as such if unobserved .But monitor them and they behave like particles and will change thier physical effect on the universe as well!!
      IS THE MULTI/UNIVERSE CONCIOUS?!?!?! Is this some form of MACRO Gia theory?
      We have just found faster than light particles and are closing in on the higgs bosen “god” particle
      BUT We are but children playing on a beach of a great ocean. We are still figuring out how to cross the ocean and what lies within it,and what lies beyond the horizon we can only imagine!

      Eamon ,thank you ,it has been a real pleasure having this discussion with you. You have been honest ,tolerant and goodwilled and a credit to humanity. Your values and actions seem good, so may I wish you all the best again.
      Peace to you, and everyone!

  7. Eamon says:

    Although I do not have time to dedicate to a lengthier discussion, I really appreciate your having shared your time and thoughts with me and those who read the comments. I wish you and yours, and all who read these words, profound peace and real prosperity in 2012 and beyond.

  8. cuthulan says:

    Atheism is both SECULAR and RELIGIOUS!
    Atheism is in fact one of the oldest beliefs in the world!
    Atheism is in fact probably the most popular belief humanity has. It is certainly one of the longest held beliefs.
    Samkhya is the oldest of the orthodox philosophical systems in Hinduism. Samkhya is a strongly dualistic philosophy that postulates everything in reality stems from purusha (Sanskrit: ?????, self, atma or soul) and prakriti (matter, creative agency or energy). Samkhya denies the existence of God.

    Atheism (Sanskrit: nir-isvara-vada, lit. “statement of no Lord”, “doctrine of godlessness”) or disbelief in God or gods has been a historically propounded viewpoint in many of the orthodox and heterodox streams of Hindu philosophies.Generally, atheism is valid in Hinduism, but some schools view the path of an atheist to be difficult to follow in matters of spirituality.
    Hindu atheists treat Hinduism as a “way of life” but not as a religion. Their day-to-day lifestyle will be almost similar to most Hindu theists but they do not accept the existence of God. They live by their Hindu values and traditions.
    The Sanskrit term Astika (“pious, orthodox”) refers to the systems of thought which admit the validity of the Vedas.Sanskrit asti means “there is”, and Astika (per Pa?ini 4.2.60) derives from the verb, meaning “one who says ‘asti'”.
    Technically, in Hindu philosophy the term Astika refers only to acceptance of authority of Vedas, not belief in the existence of God. However, though not accepted universally; Astika is sometimes translated as “theist” and Nastika as “atheist”, assuming the rejection of Vedas to be synonymous to the rejection of God.
    Among the six Astika schools of Hindu philosophy, the Samkhya do not accept God, and the early Mimamsa also rejected the notion of God.However, the school is strongly dualistic, and thus, should not be likened with the general concept of Western atheism. The early Mimamsa not only did not accept God but said that human action itself was enough to create the necessary circumstances for the enjoyment of its fruits.[11] The atheistic viewpoint in the Samkhya and Mimamsa schools of Hindu philosophy takes the form of rejecting a creator-God. The Samkhya school believed in a dual existence of prakriti (“nature”) and purusha (“spirit”) and had no place for an Ishvara (“God”) in its system. The early Mimamsakas believed in an adrishta (“unseen”) that resulted from performing karmas (“works”) and saw no need for an Ishvara in their system. Mimamsa, as a philosophy, deals exclusively with karma and thus is sometimes called Karma-Mimamsa. The karmas dealt with in Mimamsa concern the performance of yajnas (sacrifices to gods) enjoined in the Vedas.
    Even Rig Veda, the oldest of the Vedas deals with a lot of skepticism when dealing with the fundamental question of Creator God and the creation of the universe. It does not, at many instances categorically accept the existence of a creator God. Nasadiya Sukta (Creation Hymn) in the tenth chapter of the Rig Veda says:
    Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation?
    The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
    The Brihadaranyaka, Isha, Mundaka (in which Brahman is everything and “no-thing”) and especially Chandogya Upanishads have also been interpreted as atheistic because of their stress on the subjective self

    The non-adherence to the notion of an omnipotent creator deity or a prime mover is seen by many as a key distinction between Buddhism and other religions. In Buddhism the sole aim of spiritual practice is the complete alleviation of stress in samsara, called nirvana. The Buddha explicitly rejects a creator,denies endorsing any views on creation and states that questions on the origin of the world are worthless dogmatic beliefs in a Supreme God are considered to pose a hindrance to the attainment of nirvana, the highest goal of Buddhist practice
    However, an intelligent metaphysical underlying ‘ground of enlightenment’ is not ruled out by Buddhism, although Buddhists are generally very careful to distinguish this idea from that of an independent ‘creator-God’
    These are very ancient beliefs and are the 3rd and 4th most popular religions on Earth today.
    “Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.” [paraphrased Buddhist saying]

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