ISRAELLI’S ARE THE INVENTED PEOPLE AND ANTI-SEMITIC

We hear so much about the invention of Palestine and Palestinians and the creation of Israel and its chosen ones of god,most is delsuional nonsense. Are these deluional people trying to say Palestinians are related to pixes and elves?
I am neither a Jew nor am I Middle Eastern.
Therefore what is currently going on in the Middle East is really none of my business.Just like the case for Scottish Independence is none of the business of Middle Eastern people. So why is there a Zionist lobby in the UK,is there a Scottish lobby in Israel?
BUT if Scottish Independence was threatening this planet and everything on it with starting WWIII and had representatives in world governments pushing the Scottish agenda, then the world would be very right in having an opinion on Scottish Independence and us Scots would have to listen!!!
The same is true of the Israel /Palestine situation. 
I do NOT believe in Judaism or Islam or any form of Abrahamic monotheism, its all just invented nonsense and re-written paganism.It is in fact just original fascism. Quite possibly a form of anti-spiritualsim or even a force of evil.The fact that Abrahamic monotheism comes in 3 forms(Jewish ,Christian, Islam) that are desperate to slaughter each other for the same god,seems like human sacrifice? The very fact that the holy land is drenched in blood and bigotry and threatens the end of the world ,tends to support this EVIL GOD theory. The fact that these people believe in an all powerful creator god ,but somehow still need our mortal help ,also suggests that either, thier god does not exist , or thier god enjoys thier suffering and therefore they should just shut up!!
I myself am an atheist ,because I do not believe in a sky god or anthropomorphic mythical deities.How the universe works and why its here I do not know ,but science is the path that will lead to the answer, not spiritual fascism with its one book of answers! Do not trust anyone that gets thier information from only one book! According to these delsuional people the Earth is flat and the sun revolves around the Earth,its the word of god! These delsuional people should not be allowed to use electricty nevermind be anywhere near a nuclear arsenal!!
BUT today the world stands on the brink of WWIII , pushed there by the Zionist lobby and its global network of delusional political traitors.
These people believe that the modern Jew is the descendant of Moses and god’s chosen people and that the creation of Israel is important for bringing thier god to Earth on a white horse to rule with them by his side! A great plot for Conan the Barbarian , a really stupid idea for serious religion! I would be rolling on the floor laughing if they where not so DEADLY SERIOUS
BUT lets take a look at reality for a momment…..
Looking at original texts , physical evidence(archeology) and forensic evidence(DNA) ,all things that would damn you in a court of law ,even if you deny the charge . What we find is a very differnt story from the Zionist or even the Islamic versions of events.
BUT the Abrahamic monotheistic(Jewish ,Christian , Islamic) Inquistion is still alive and well, burning books and witch hunting unbelievers and destroying pagan temples.
They have to keep thier LIES alive! Truth can handle awkward questions ,its lies that need dogma and threats.
DNA today shows us 4 OUT 5 modern Jewish persons have NO RELATION TO THE MIDDLE EAST OR MOSES!!
The 1 in 5 that does are GENETICALLY IDENTICAL to Palestinians
THE JEWISH ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC INQUISITION IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL BURNING MODERN SCIENTIFIC BOOKS AND WITCH HUNTING SCIENTISTS.BUT SO ARE THE CHRISTIAN AND ISLAMIC VERSIONS
JEWISH DNA
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.
Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.
‘I have authored several hundred scientific papers, some for Nature and Science, and this has never happened to me before,’ said the article’s lead author, Spanish geneticist Professor Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, of Complutense University in Madrid. ‘I am stunned.’
The paper, ‘The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations’, involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.
In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team’s research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.
Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based ‘in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences’, they conclude.
One of them said: ‘If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/25/medicalscience.genetics
SO NOTHING CHOSEN ABOUT THE JEWISH DNA.THE 1 IN 5 THAT HAVE MIDDLE EASTERN DNA ARE IN FACT GENETICALLY IDENTACAL TO PALESTINIANS
FOR THE OTHER 4 OUT OF 5 JEWS ,WE SEE ITS VERY ORDINARY DNA FOR SOMEONE THAT GENETICALLY COMES FROM EASTERN EUROPE!!FITTINGLY, THESE ARE CALLED ASHKENAZI JEWS
Although in the 11th century they comprised only 3% of the world’s Jewish population, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for (at their highest) 92% of the world’s Jews in 1931 and today make up approximately 80% of Jews worldwide
Ashkenaz is also a Japhetic patriarch in the Table of Nations (Genesis 10). Thus, Ashkenazim or Ashkenazi Jews are literally “German Jews.”
The table of nations in Genesis 10 begins by listing Noah’s immediate children:
Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic Africa)
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)
THE MODERN JEWISH RACE IS NOT SEMITIC,BUT JAPHETIC,( the Palastinians are SEMITIC,so who is the ANTI-SEMITE?)
“The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, ARABS, and Ethiopian Semites”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashk%27nazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Nations
SO THIS MAKES ZIONISTS ANTI-SEMITIC!
THE MAJORITY OF MODERN JEWS ARE PROBABLY DESENDED FROM THIS “JEWISH” NATION OR LATER CONVERTS.
The Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who dominated the Pontic steppe and the North Caucasus from the 7th to the 10th century CE. The name ‘Khazar’ seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning “wandering”.
In the 7th century CE, the Khazars founded an independent Khaganate in the Northern Caucasus along the Caspian Sea.
During the eighth or ninth century the state religion became Judaism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar
THERE IS A JEWISH HOMELAND FOR THESE PEOPLE ALREADY BIROBIDZHAN.
A documentary film, L’Chayim, Comrade Stalin! on Stalin’s creation of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and its partial settlement by thousands of Russian and Yiddish-speaking Jews was released in 2003. As well as relating the history of the creation of the proposed Jewish homeland, the film features scenes of life in contemporary Birobidzhan and interviews with Jewish residents.
According to the NY Times, Stalin established the city to protect secular Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidjan
Far from Jews being forcibly exiled to Birobidjan, there were extensive worldwide efforts to promote this Soviet Jewish homeland project, including ‘Ambidjan’, the American Birobidjan Committee, whose officials included Albert Einstein and the prominent American Jewish author B.Z. Goldberg
SO JEWISH PEOPLE ,GET YOUR DNA CHECKED AND IF YOU ARE EASTERN EUROPEAN ,PLEASE MOVE TO BIROBIDJHAN AND LEAVE THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE ALONE.
ISRELLI’S ARE THE INVENTED MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLES, NOT THE VERY REAL MIDDLE EASTERN PALESTINIANS
THE INVENTION OF MODERN ISRAEL
A short historical quiz: 
Which state:
a.   Arose after a Holocaust in which a third of its people were destroyed?
b.   Drew from that Holocaust the conclusion that only superior military forces could ensure its survival?
c.   Accorded the army a central role in its life, making it “an army that had a state, rather than a state that 
had an army”?
d.   Began by buying the land it took, and continued to expand by conquest and annexation?
e.   Endeavoured by all possible means to attract new immigrants?
f.    Conducted a systematic policy of settlement in the occupied territories?
g.   Strove to push out the national minority by creeping ethnic cleansing?
For anyone who has not yet found the answer: It’s the state of Prussia. But if some readers were tempted to believe that it all applies to the State of Israel — well, they are right, too. This description fits the “Jewish” state. The similarity between the two states is remarkable.
This Prussian effort had a direct impact on the Jewish colonisation of Palestine. It served as an example for the father of Zionist settlement, Arthur Ruppin, and not by accident — he was born and grew up in the Polish area 
of Prussia.
It is impossible to exaggerate the influence of the Prussian model on the Zionist movement in almost all spheres of life. Theodor Herzl, the founder of the movement, was born in Budapest and lived most of his life in Vienna. He admired the new German Reich that was founded in 1871, when he was 11 years old. Herzl’s diaries are full of admiration for the German state.
Herzl was not the only one to imprint a Prussian-German pattern on the Zionist enterprise. In this he was overshadowed by Ruppin, who is known today to Israeli children mainly as a street name. But Ruppin had an immense impact on the Zionist enterprise, more than any other single person.
He was the real leader of the Zionist immigrants in Palestine in their formative period in the first quarter of the 20th century. He was the spiritual father of Berl Katznelson, David Ben-Gurion and their generation, the founders of the Zionist Labour movement that became dominant in the Jewish society in Palestine.
If so, why has he been almost eradicated from official memory? Because some sides of Ruppin are best forgotten. Before becoming a Zionist, he was an extreme Prussian-German nationalist. He was one of the fathers of the “scientific” racist creed and believed in the superiority of the Aryan race. Up to the end he occupied himself with measuring skulls and noses in order to provide support for assorted racist ideas. His partners and friends created the “science” that inspired Hitler and 
his disciples.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2009/December/opinion_December97.xml
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/zionism-modern-nazism/
THE INVENTION OF ANCIENT ISRAEL
“‘When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy…You shall destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all others upon the face of the earth…’ –Book of Deuteronomy, 7:1-8”
NOT A LOT OF PROGRESS IN 2,500 YEARS.THE MODERN ISRAELLI BRINGING ANCIENT BARBARISM BACK TO THE MODERN WORLD!!
BUT REMEMBER ITS NOT ISRAELLI’S ,JEWS OR ARABS ….ITS GOD .HE IS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT GETS THE BLAME!
HOW IS IT THAT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS ALWAYS SEEM TO KNOW WHAT GOD IS THINKING AND HE ALWAYS HATES THE SAME PEOPLE THEY DO?
DELUSION?
ARCHEOLOGY IN THE LEVANT
ARCHEOLOGY SHOWS NO EVIDENCE OF THE STORIES OF KING DAVID AND HIS KINGDOM.STRANGE WHEN WE ARE FINDING MASSIVE PAGAN TEMPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE
TEMPLES MUCH MUCH OLDER THAN WHEN THE HEBREWS ARRIVE IN THE LEVANT!!
Bible’s Buried Secrets (BBC) Ep. 1: Did King David’s empire exist? (1/4)
First episode (out of 3) of the BBC programme, hosted by biblical scholar Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou. Here she explores what archeology can tell us about the kingdom of David, and even the historicity of David.

Bible’s Buried Secrets (BBC) Ep.1: Did King David’s empire exist? (2/4)

Bible’s Buried Secrets (BBC) Ep.1: Did King David’s empire exist? (3/4)

Bible’s Buried Secrets (BBC) Ep.1: Did King David’s empire exist? (4/4)

YET AGAIN JEWISH STORIES ARE JUST THAT…STORIES, MYTHS, FANTASY …AN INVENTION!!!
“Pour Out Your Wrath!”
There can no longer be the slightest doubt that the Exodus never happened. Neither the Exodus, nor the wandering in the desert, nor the conquest of Canaan.
The Egyptians were obsessive chroniclers. Many tens of thousands of tablets have already been deciphered. It would have been impossible for an event like the exodus to pass without being reported at length. Not if 600,000 people left, as the Bible tells it, or 60,000, or even 6000. Especially if during the flight a whole Egyptian army contingent, including war chariots, was drowned.
The same goes for the Conquest. Because of acute security concerns, after being invaded once from there, the Egyptians employed a host of spies, – travelers, merchants and others – to follow closely the events in neighboring Canaan, in every single one of its towns and at all times. An invasion of Canaan, even a minor one, would have been reported. Except for the periodic incursions of Bedouin tribes, nothing was recorded.
Moreover, the Egyptian towns mentioned in the Bible did not exist at the time the event is supposed to have happened. They did exist, however, when the Bible was written, in the first or second century BC.
There is no need to point out that after a hundred years of frantic archaeological searching by devout Christians and Zionist zealots, not a shred of concrete evidence for the conquest of Canaan has been found (nor that the Kingdoms of Saul, David or Salomon ever existed).
Uri Avnery is an Israeli author and activist. www.avnery-news.co.il
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31016.htm
SO LETS HAVE A LOOK AT THE INVENTION OF RELIGIOUS JUDAISM
THE INVENTION OF JUDAISM (PART 1 IN THE INVENTION OF ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM)
Judaism is just Egyptain/Hyksos SET worship of the semtic Hyksos Phaorhs that invaded northern Egypt and where run out of Egypt by the Egyptian Phaorh Ahmose I.
Moses (SETmoses would be his name ,but hebrews are not allowed to mention gods name)quite possibly led the remaining enslaved Hyksos out of Egypt when RAmoses forced them to build a city of RA on the ruins of Avairs ,the Hyksos city of SET.(SET vs RA my god vs your god)Set worship is seen in the early israelites in such things as the Set staff, redheads as rulers, red animals as sacrifice, circumcision, and even the layout of thier temples is a SET/BAAL male fertility temple.The golden bull is also another polytheistic give away, Amen/AmenRa was the Supreme being in polytheistic Set worship, that is why you still send your prayers to Amen.They where then converted to Zoroastrianism by Cyrus the Great ,the non-semtic Jewish Messiah!! He then sent the converts back to the Levant to run a buffer state for his Persian Empire. It is from Babylon/Persia that the Jewish belief system gets its calendars, and its new scribes of a monotheistic belief system replacing the polytheistic warrior chiefs of Set but keeping some of the SET rituals.  
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-judaism/
THUS THE INVENTION OF MODERN JUDAISM
The modern Jew is an invented concept!
Palestinians are very real!
I know my grandfather patrolled the Mandate of PALESTINE ,and there where plenty of Arab people in this land. Zionists kept attacking them,if there was no-one in the Levant who where they attacking then?
The modern Zionist excuse is just a cringeworthy rehashing of when white Europeans arrived in Australia and claimed it as TERRA NULIS, empty land, but it was full Australian Aboriginals.
Come on guys its the 21st century AD NOT the 21st century BC get with the times stop the delusional sky god nonsense and quasi-religious mumbo jumbo and rascist ideologies!!
What next ? Lets annex some middle eastern country to build gods landing pad for his UFO in 2012? What about the forced removal of Saxon English so us Celts can have our ancient Briton returned to us? I mean really come on guys?!?!?! Get real!!!
JEWS are no more gods chosen people than the Aryans are the master race!!!
Modern Israel is just a version of Apartide South Africa and Zionism is just Nazisms f*cked up little brother! Nazis took devastated countries and turned them into superpowers , zionism takes superpowers and turns them into devastated countries……but remember to blame god!! 
Zionists fought alongside Nazis in WWII!! The religious abrahamic monotheist Yitzak Shamir was a Nazi collaborator and an Israelli Prime minister!! The atheist  Albert Einstein stood against the nazi regime and refused to become an Israelli prime minister and promoted Birobidjhan for a Jewish homeland. Now that is an inteligent Jewish human being.
My ultimate message to Abrahamic monotheists is, its your right to believe nonsense I will even defend your right to believe this nonsense.If you feel the need to live in Palestine, immigrate ,like everyone does when they want to live in another location. If you are a decent human being and an asset to the people and culture ,no-one will mind. BUT if you arrive and steal homes and land and claim cultural superiority ,expect resistance! You must be stupid if you cannot understand this! Be it Palestine or Scotland or anywhere! Try and use this nonsense in Scotland as an excuse to steal ,murder ,rape etc and you will be on the recieving end of a very real Celtic ASS KICKING. Your gods ,your prayers and even satan himself will be powerless to save you, you can scream all you like ,he will not come and save you!! Just ask anyone currently living in Gaza what thier all powerful god is doing to save them…it will be atheists like me that will do more good in reality,attacking the Zionist lobby influence! Also just ask the Glasgow airport terrorist bombers why thier god failed to save them when a bunch of local atheist Scots beat the shit out of them for trying to set off bombs in a crowded airport .
FACT shout  “Allah Akbar ,I’ve got a bomb”  in Scotland ,you will have the shit kicked out of you by the locals , god will not help! He will be powerless to stop the blows , He will NOT heal you either , the local NHS (National Heath Service)will do that! Remember to thank them!!!

SO IT SEEMS IF ANYONE IS INVENTED ,ITS THE MODERN JEWISH ISRAELLI. THE PALESTINIANS ARE VERY REAL ,VERY SEMITIC AND ARE THE GENETIC DESCENDANTS OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE LEVANT THOUSANDS OF YEARS PAST. THE MODERN JEWISH PERSON WAS LIVING IN EASTERN EUROPE AT THIS TIME.  THIER BELIEFS FANTASY AND INVENTION, THEN AS NOW.

SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE ITS THE BRITISH THAT ARE THE CHOSEN ONES. BUT THIS BELIEF IS JUST AS DELUSIONAL AS THE JUDAIC VERSION!! WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE REMOVAL OF PALESTINIANS SO THE BRITISH CAN MOVE IN?
British Israelism (also called Anglo-Israelism) is the belief that people of Western European descent, particularly those in Great Britain, are the direct lineal descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. The concept often includes the belief that the British Royal Family is directly descended from the line of King David
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
BUT LETS LOOK AT IF I HAVE A CASE TO BE A CHOSEN ONE AND STEAL LAND IN THE LEVANT
IT SEEMS THE GODS GAVE THE LEVANT TO MY CELTIC PEOPLE. CHECK THE DNA AND GO LOOK AT THE TEMPLE….AND WEEP
 Also known as Eynan (Hebrew) or Mallaha (Arabic), this Natufian village was colonized in three phases. The first two phases were comprised of massive stone-built structures with smaller ones in the third phase. The phases occurred from 12,000 to 9600 BCE.Hundreds of Natufian graves have been excavated in Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.In 2008, the grave of a Natufian ‘priestess’ was discovered (in most media reports referred to as a shaman or witch doctor ). The burial contained complete shells of 50 tortoises, which are thought to have been brought to the site and eaten during the funeral feast
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/11/081104-israel-shaman-missions.html
This temple site is the oldest known man-made place of worship.Through the radiocarbon method, the end of stratum III could be determined at circa 9,000 BC ; its beginnings are estimated to 11,000 BC or earlier. Stratum II dates to about 8,000 BC.
Thus, the complexes originated before the so-called Neolithic Revolution, the beginning of agriculture and animal husbandry, which is assumed to begin after 9,000 BC.The oldest occupation layer (stratum III) contained monolithic pillars linked by coarsely built walls to form circular or oval structures. So far, four such buildings, with diameters between 10 and 30m have been uncovered. Geophysical studies suggest 16 further structures
But the construction of the Göbekli Tepe complex implies organisation of a degree of complexity not hitherto associated with pre-Neolithic societies. The archaeologists estimate that up to 500 persons were required to extract the 10-20 ton pillars (in fact, some weigh up to 50 tons)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
AND WE EVEN HAD OUR OWN EXODUS FROM EGYPT.SCOTLAND IS SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED AFTER AN EGYPTIAN PHAROHESS!!
THERE IS MORE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF A CELTIC EXODUS THAN A JEWISH ONE. RAMOSES II WAS A REDHEAD AND HAS CELTIC/BERBER DNA!!
For a Factual look at the “Book of Conquests” check this post.
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-book-of-invasions-or-the-book-of-conquests-leabhar-gabhala-eireann-or-leabhar-gabhala-na-heireann-a-factual-look
OUR CULTURE AND LANGUAGE ARE TRUELLY ANCIENT ,MAKING JUDAISM SEEM LIKE A NEW INVENTION,WHICH IT IS
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/druidism-was-it-western-hinduism-18000-years-old/
WE TRAVELLED AND INFLUENCED ANCIENT CULTURES GLOBALLY
Solid as a warrior of the Caledonii tribe, the man’s hair is reddish brown flecked with grey, framing high cheekbones, a long nose, full lips and a ginger beard. When he lived three thousand years ago, he stood six feet tall, and was buried wearing a red twill tunic and tartan leggings. He looks like a Bronze Age European. In fact, he’s every inch a Celt. Even his DNA says so.
But this is no early Celt from central Scotland. This is the mummified corpse of Cherchen Man, unearthed from the scorched sands of the Taklamakan Desert in the far-flung region of Xinjiang in western China,
The burial sites of Cherchen Man and his fellow people were marked with stone structures that look like dolmens from Britain, ringed by round-faced, Celtic figures, or standing stones. Among their icons were figures reminiscent of the sheela-na-gigs, wild females who flaunted their bodies and can still be found in mediaeval churches in Britain. A female mummy wears a long, conical hat which has to be a witch or a wizard’s hat. Or a druid’s, perhaps? The wooden combs they used to fan their tresses are familiar to students of ancient Celtic art.
Even older than the Cherchen find is that of the 4,000-year-old Loulan Beauty, who has long flowing fair hair and is one of a number of mummies discovered near the town of Loulan.
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-history-of-the-celtic-people/
BUT STILL NONE OF THIS GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO REMOVE INDIGENOUS MIDDLE EASTERN PEOPLE FROM THIER HOMES!!! 
SO YOU WILL BE MOVING OUT OF THE LEVANT NOW?

EVEN A LOT OF JEWISH PEOPLE ARE APPAULLED BY WHAT IS GOING ON IN PALESTINE. JEWS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, ZIONISM IS THE PROBLEM!!
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A JEW, AND ISRAELLI AND A ZIONIST. ITS JUST LIKE  A SAXON, A GERMAN AND A NAZI. NOT ALL NAZI’S WHERE GERMAN OR EVEN SAXONS.TODAY NOT ALL ZIONISTS ARE JEWISH!

SO IT SEEMS IN REALITY A BUNCH OF DELUSIONAL EASTERN GERMANS WHO HAVE HAD THIER FORESKINS STOLEN ARE PRESECUTING THE DESCENDANTS OF THE ANCIENT SEMITIC PEOPLE, WHICH WOULD OF INCLUDED (SET)MOSES PRESUMABLY …AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN CHRISTIAN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM, THEN JESUS’S DESCENDANTS TOO!!! IF GOD IS REAL YOU MUST BE PISSING HIM OFF!!!

AND PEOPLE ARE DYING FOR THIS!! BECAUSE ITS GODS WILL THAT A BUNCH OF EUROPEAN CONVERTS MUST STEAL LAND IN PALESTINE?!?!? I DON’T THINK SO!!

TALK ABOUT DELUSIONAL AND INVENTED PEOPLES..THE MODERN ZIONIST ISRAELLI TAKES THE PRIZE FOR THIS

SO IF YOU BELEIVE IN HARMING PEOPLE FOR YOUR ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC GOD , TAKE YOUR VACTICAN ,YOUR REFORMATION ,YOUR HOLY LAND ,YOUR JERUSALEM ,YOUR MECCA AND FUCK OFF!!!

IF ANYONE IS AN INVENTED PEOPLE ITS THE MODERN ISRAELLI AND SO IS THIER INVENTED GOD!!!

(WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO WITH ALL THOSE FORESKINS ANYWAY? EITHER YOUR GOD IS A PERVERT OR ITS JUST A RITUAL LEFT OVER FROM THE OLD MALE FERTILITY GOD…WHICH IN EGYPT WAS…..SET!!! NOT THE NICEST OF GODS TO CHOOSE FROM )

PLEASE GUYS JUST GET THIS SHIT SORTED AND TRY NOT TO DRAG DOWN THE REST OF THE WORLD WITH YOUR DELUSIONAL BULLSHIT… HUMANITY HAS SO MUCH WONDEROUS POTENTIAL AND A FUTURE OF INFINITE POSSIBILITIES,STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!! WE ARE REALLY NOT IMPRESSED WITH YOUR BEHAVIOUR OR YOUR BELIEFS OR YOUR ACTIONS. BASICALLY YOU ARE DELUSIONAL PRIMITIVE BARBARIANS.. GROW UP!!  

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28 Responses to ISRAELLI’S ARE THE INVENTED PEOPLE AND ANTI-SEMITIC

  1. mikey says:

    Hey Cuthulan, I am not going to enter into some toe to toe battle over your information, stats, Archaeological understandings and perspectives towards monotheistic belief. Last time I disappointingly had my post deleted & feel to waste time responding to your blog posts and have them denied entry here to be problematic on your behalf and not mine. So, whilst i will try to put something here that is simple, straight forward and clear; what a person must do first, so that they are able to justly handle information; is to remove any bias or predisposition towards information we might have, for if you are only interested in one line of thought, then you are not accumulating knowledge or truth, but promoting an agenda, whether it be right or wrong? Now you skate over many topics within a single but often jam-packed post with audacity and arrogance, your expression towards many things are at times solely oppositional and this is problematic to say the least, that you have made your mind up before you have composed your thoughts! Your political views are often insightful and good to read, but when you sway into religion and history you make the facts doing your song and it alone. I will simply state some things, as respectfully as I can and leave the rest to you; 1) I have found archaeology supportive of the biblical timeline. The answer is in chronology, something in which many people have failed to faithfully reconstruct. 2) I stand for things that reflect my belief in a monotheistic faith, I do not oppose things, nor seek to legislate against those who practice opposing lifestyles or religions, many do, I don’t. You pile all forms of monotheistic belief together and just paint them with the same brush. You confuse politics & religion by the historical record that has failed to properly weigh, recognising at times the abuse of religious power and it’s flawed growth pattern; as opposed to a true believer’s autonomous life that is meant to be outside of the realm of politics and society, being seperate; something that has many examples of in history. 3) You have a mono-perspective towards religion and are unable to evaluate both it’s negatives and positives, your emotions have got the better of you perhaps? 4) You hate, it is ok to be angry at something then to express your anger in words, though to hate taints your ability to weigh your topics credibly. Hate has never created, only destroyed. 5) Israeli’s invented? Jesus a composite frankenstein deity of Khrishna, Hesus etc. God a pervert………. seriously, too sad, so silly, just childish…… I actually expect more out of you, i consider you better then this base stuff? but lucky for you christians aren’t strapping bombs and issuing jihads upon you. Your quest is perhaps turning you into a persecutor, not a crier of truth in a sadden world or death, deceit and ignorance. No one should want to be a simple hater, where people become what they seek to oppose and become the person they love to hate, intolerant and prejudicial? Wouldn’t you agree?

    • cuthulan says:

      Hi Mikey,hope all is well. Can I say I did NOT delete your post. I welcome all comments that are not spam. I cannot explain why your comment failed to appear ,but I did not delete it! I certainly hope it has not put you off commenting.
      Let me try and make myself clearer. If you want to believe in Abrahamic monotheism, that is fine with me. I will even defend your right to believe it. Science does not solve all our questions but it is a very good and useful tool.Spirituallity is still a valid subject, it has been around since before modern mankind. Neaderthals,it seems, praticed religion too,but they where not abrahamic monotheists.
      1. You say you have found archeological evidence of the bible. What evidence ,can you give a link or reference. You sayits chronological problems we are suffering from? Can you explain this? Are you suggesting the Earth is 4,000years old for example…because its not.
      2.Maybe I am not making my self clear. I do post in anger sometimes. If your beliefs give you strength to carry on and do good actions then please take my best wishes to you and your god. I am just trying to point out the very bad side of organised monotheistic religions.It just craves material powers and usually is involved in monsterous action and frauds. Including the destruction of ancients relics and temples and scriptures and even the destruction of the modern scientific journals that go against biblical dogma. The Inquistion is still alive and well. ….and I hate book burners of any variety! Yes Abrahamic monotheism when you look at it has such a wide variety of beliefs ,many in complete conflict with one another and many others that seem not even to be monotheistic. It seems that the belief is no longer important and its just a tool to weild material power these day…..but this does not mean that will not find good people that still believe in abrahamic monotheism.btw What is your opinion on Judaism and Islam?
      3.Personally I do not see any positives in abrahamic monotheism ,please point them out. They must be bloody good if its worth all the paedophilia , disease spreading, cultural destruction , genocide, lies etc. Maybe its your belief that has got the better of you, delusional prehaps?
      4.Hate? No not really. Modern Israelli’s are like the old Aparteide South Africans.In the 80’s I shared a houseboat with a load of AWOL White South Africans ,they where very good people,though they where also full of propaganda do to cencorship,but this soon disappeared with other facts being presented .Though I did spend alot of time complaining and protesting against Aparteide, I did not hate white south africans or whites or Europeans etc. just the government regime, and government regimes come in all colours and beliefs.Today South Africa still exists, Israellis could learn from them. I have good Israelli friends today. I have worked with setting up “Breaking the Silence” and a few other projects with very decent Israellis.BUT if you are going to steal indigenous peoples land and property ,you better have a bloody good reason and bloody good proof to back it up!SO WHERE IS THE PROOF?!?!?!(back to your question 1,so show me this proof then)
      Otherwise you are just as bad as the Nazis or Apartieid South Africans.
      5. YES ISRAELLIS ARE AN INVENTION!!..and so is Judaism , and Christianity and Islam .Our do you think the Palestinians are invented? They seem like solid flesh and blood to me. Please point out any factual mistakes I have made in my post , otherwise you are just spouting meaningless dogma, and are just an apologist for genocide .If you can possibly see past your delusional beliefs you might just see how intolerant you are when discussing Islam, another Abrahamic monotheistic belief. SO its OK for you to disrespect this variety of abrahamic monotheism ,but its not OK for me to disrepect the rest of it?!?!?
      QUOTE
      ” No one should want to be a simple hater, where people become what they seek to oppose and become the person they love to hate, intolerant and prejudicial? Wouldn’t you agree?”
      YES I AGREE , so less of the hate speach then..like the following
      QUOTE
      “but lucky for you christians aren’t strapping bombs and issuing jihads upon you.”

      Yes very understanding and tolerant of you….so you hate them because you dislike thier lack of freedoms, or something like that? So abrahamic monotheists Islamic branch just strap bombs to themselves and kill people, is that what you are saying?

      FYI I have experince of Abrahamic monotheists. Christian abrahamic monotheists sexually abused one of my best friends as a kid, very christian of them. So christians do not strap bombs to themselves ,but will bugger your kids!!!
      Jewish abrahamic monotheists tried to kill my grandfather during the mandate of PALESTINE (it was Israel that did not exist!) He had just risked his life to save these people from persecution. Of course though, the zionists fought for nazi germany and are very happy to kill jews and gentiles ,even aryian ones.So jews are not the problem ,zionists are!!
      Islamic abrahamic monotheists kill my daughters best friends father. Theo Van Gogh.I would happily beat the sh1t out of a jihadist. In Scotland they did try to set off a bomb. unfortunately us Scots just kicked the sh1t out of him instead. His god was poweress to defend him from the locals.Certainly gave me a good laugh.So I have had personal experience of abrahamic monotheists and I cannot tell the difference , you all believe the same stories,and god. But you all behave like a bunch of delusional race supremecists and barbarians.
      BUT as I say ,belief is irrelevant its your actions that count.People can believe very different things but still hold the same values.
      IMHO abrahamic montheism destroys decent human values. There is plenty of FACTUAL evidence to back this up! Islams spread of the slave trade, Christian witch burnings and crusades, and Judaisms land theft and race supremecy ideology. How does a religious Jewish person keep a straight face when explaining his beliefs to a Buddhist or a Confusionist?…
      Please if you are a good and tolerant person you have my best wishes , your beliefs are irrelevant to me. Believe that god is an alien if you like…makes no difference to me.
      I really do not mean to be offensive. BUT abrahamic monotheistic beliefs are offensive to non-believers ,can you not understand that?
      and big claims demand big evidence, there is no big evidence for abrahamic monotheism.
      All the best mickey

  2. cuthulan says:

    @mikey
    a last comment, just to point out your delusional beliefs for what they are.
    QUOTE
    “but lucky for you christians aren’t strapping bombs and issuing jihads upon you.”

    Mikey christians use drones , cruise missiles , R2P, white phospherous , shock and awe or blitzkrieg as the nazis called it.
    IN REALITY MODERN CHRISTIANS HAVE KILLED A HELL OF A LOT MORE CHILDREN ,MUSLIMS ETC ..THAN MUSLIMS HAVE KILLED CHRISTAINS!
    This may not have been the case in the 700’s until the crusades, the crusadeds where European payback for a 1000 years of slave trading, so muslims should just shut the f*ck about the crusades. Payback is a bitch!

  3. mikey says:

    *Firstly, I acknowledge the difficulty in observing the tone of language that some times occurs in written form, particularly on the internet, that some times people read into peoples posts things that aren’t necessarily there? Because of the misinterpretation of others; hopefully we are not falling victim to this? Perhaps my previous posts on your other blog posts fell into the technical void or black whole that exists some where on the net, stuff happens?….. no harm no foul 🙂 My using “strap on bombs & Jihads’; admittedly, in my rant was by all intents using an easy target, i could of sited the bombing of British administrative headquarters by Zionists in 1946, the crusades (whilst i do agree on your take of Muslims getting a serve of what they had previously did via the slave trade etc etc) and with many other examples to give, though you do not see Christians today doing like wise when some one burns a bible, makes sacrilegious artwork, burns a church (except for some crazy fringe Baptist church in the US of A) or like the Copt’s in Egypt who are living within a growing persecution; as all Christians throughout the middle east and north Africa are facing a genocidal extinction because of the rise of islam. Though it can not be denied that from DNA to ideology; evil has no monopoly within race (even though its an inadequate term) or within a religion, all beings have the potential; given the right environment, depravity and self righteous disposition or sense of revenge to bring death and horror upon others; no one owns violence, just the violent in heart & the ignorant! However, a real Christian would not do so with all his/her faculties in place or properly educated by what they should believe, though one that claims to be and yet perpetrates such madness must have his/her sanity and christianity questioned! But, I find the christianity portrayed and practiced by many American’s; as it is else where to be problematic, I might be a Christian and have viking axes, claymores etc; that reflect my heritage and re-enact historical interests & periods I like, but i stop there at going a real ‘a viking’ whilst wearing my Thor and Christ necklace simultaneously; though I do not own a gun and keep it under my bed out of some twisted constitutional right; ready for some apocalyptic martial end. Christianity for some folk is not a spiritual experience but some twisted sense of cultural pride mixed with political and military might, though I find this to be largely perverted and a socially divisive tool, used to manipulate and prey upon an electorates shallow insecurities that easily succumb to propaganda spin. When, a president stands up and claims a belief in God and then descends upon nations without visible proof or legal right and contravenes numerous international laws to do so, then I doubt the substance of their faith; like Constantine…. many are political opportunists that use religion as a tool for control and fear, manipulating that veneer of nationalism for political gain; but Christianity’s real intent and power is not best reflected in these terrible scenarios. Unfortunately ignorance is ignorance and is evident in all walks of life around the globe, where many well meaning and earnest people from similar diverse backgrounds try their best to educate and enlighten people to see life’s confusing and graphic realities set straight; such as what your blog often attempts to do. Don’t get me wrong I like continually coming back to your blog, its a much needed blog in the huge blog-a-sphere that is a-washed with Perez Hilton type tripe! I am the same as you on many points believe it or not; I truly believe in people having the right to chose what ever path, lifestyle, religion they so wish; I do not believe in removing rights, but increasing them. I have an outlaw biker 1% friend, i am concerned over the laws that are being written to restrict his right to assemble, as a member of his club. Such laws that forbid him to wear his rocker and other patches or ride with his mates; I see as Orwellian and ultimately to be used upon any and all political, religious or cultural groups, upon the wider community at large or any group that choses to not follow the government line on what is socially & civilly appropriate. I do not call for legislation against any group or minority, for by the virtue of their continued existence, mine will continue to be secure also! I will try and address some of your points now; 1) I am not 100% settled on an exact frame or timeline for the earths existence as yet; though no doubt it is shorter then yours 🙂 I will attempt to explain my take on chronology in later posts as it would take too long here, though I will use Ancient Egypt as a place to verify dates and periods in the Biblical record, but as you are no doubt aware there are many different takes on Egyptian timelines, so many books disagree, i will hopefully answer this topic fully later!! 2) I guess when it comes to hate; a persons uses of words in condescension, belittlement, rage or swearing can infer such to some folk; I usually read such appearance of the afore mentioned as forms of expressing hate; though if you say you are not a hater, then i take you at your word. 3) To suggest that “paedophilia , disease spreading, cultural destruction , genocide, lies etc.” are the soul ownership of religious people is a great misappropriation and generality, seriously are atheists the sole bastion of moral fibre? Consider your sentence here, can you really say that it’s true/right? Whilst these things have been perpetrated by religious people it should not be used to stain all people with the same guilt, when they have never perpetrated such, for such is unfair; Stalin was a tyrannical atheist/communist, though I know Marx never intended for Stalin to express Communism in such a way, so all communists should not be tainted by Stalin. NOw consider this verse (just indulge me a little :)) “1 Timothy 4: 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.” Now the Catholic church forbid their Priests to marry, to me that lines them up to this verse, the fruit of such is a hypocritical liar, thus their behaviour is hypocritical, the Bible is not a place they can hide in, it shines a big light upon the fallen state of their decisions and behaviour! Catholicism is after all a mix of Paganism and Christianity. 4) A line of understanding between Jews and Zionists should be drawn, though you no doubt understand the difference between the two; before the formation of the Israeli state, Jews and Palestinians lived as peaceful neighbours, I believe the Israeli’s have as much right as the Palestinians to be there, it is a unique and alarming situation, what is a seemingly unending modern skirmish of political and religious disagreement; blood flows on both sides of this cement walls, sad beyond words. I do not support terror upon either side and do not see war as a solution, but a tool of the wealthy and stupid. The Jews have been disallowed a home land for most of their existence, historically & geographically the lines of Israel have undergone many changes, at times larger or smaller then what it is today; but such is the story of many lands is it not? 5) The whole topic under point 5 can descend into a battle of semantics I think, whilst being right technically and according to your lack of faith towards monotheistic belief, you consider Judaism as an invention, it did develop over time however and did not arrive fully fitted with all of it’s tenets in place, so i could argue that it is not an ill conceived invention and by being an invention is not untrue. It’s development is however important within western society and carried the many moral and social laws or ethics we enjoy or hold to be evidentially true today. i.e. don’t steal, don’t murder, don’t jump the fence and cut your neighbours grass etc; are these bad rules or worth rejecting; I might be able to site Norse DNA in my line, but I am glad I live according to christian precepts rather then Norse in many ways, but …. I speak here generally. Tolerance and acceptance or the ability to respect should be mutual; I agree, if that is what you were espousing? I can’t dig Islam though, but I can respectfully proclaim my opposition to it without wishing harm to muslims, though truth has a way of offending sometimes and that is unavoidable, though not intentional. I see it as an impossibly archaic piece of plagiarism thats spreads under the sword and not wholy a conversion by choice, unless you are born into it; and whilst it can be argued that Christianity has done similar it was not intended for it to be that way, though Islam is. My Dogma isn’t meaningless to me, but it is to you who does not believe. How could anything I religiously believe; be taken seriously by you? It just can’t, can it? It may seem disillusional to you, but the same can be stated from my position towards you also. To me your ability to reason is darkened, of course you would laugh at this and find it bewildering, that I am under such a great lie that my whole perception of reality must be out of kilter, self deceived? But, I consider myself sane, level headed and informed. I agree with you that talk is cheap and actions speak the loudest! So with that, whilst your are intelligent and motivated; considered the public dislike for christianity, the rise of atheism and the intolerance towards religion in the west that grows from it. I believe this will be used in the future towards a governmental plan to eradicate religious or spiritually no-conformist groups under a fascist state of control, not just christians. However, the future for religious people, most notably christians and Jews will become untenable, violence towards such groups whether perceived as right or wrong by past injustices will develop and hate crimes will lead to an increase persecution and even full scale murder or genocide of christians and other religious groups; I have no time frame for such and offer no guess over such; hopefully not in mine or my children’s time; but when you see us dragged in the cities streets and ridiculed and brutalised please remember this post and be a voice of reason in such a darken world, (Matt 24: 9-10) that even though to a christian their proclamation of faith brings persecution; that two wrongs still do not make a right and humanity can always be hijacked by fear or hate, but the peace maker walks alone. Thanks for your time Cuthulan.

  4. cuthulan says:

    @mikey
    Very nice post mikey. Thank you for your time and effort. Now let me see if I can reply……

    1.I await your evidence with glee. I like researching new materials and seeing how its fits with the other jigsaw pieces of history.

    2.As I said sometimes I post in anger, so my posts can get a bit spicey.BUT I do not hate people or cultures etc,i rejoice in lifes diversity. Its is diversity that will save mankind, it will be conformity that will kill us! BUT its “evil” actions that make me mad. Actions usually done out of ignorance, naievity or lies rather than genuine “evillness”. That is why I ask people to question everything EVEN ME!!
    So mikey please keep up the good work. Truth can handle awkward questions and so can enlightenment.
    I believe in PERSONAL Truth and GREATER Truth, everyone has thier unique personal truth ,as they have thier unique veiw of the universe. We should ALL speak our personal truths and it is listening to these personal truths and understanding them ,that a greater truth starts to appear. I believe that you are being personally truthful with me, I hope you feel the same from me.

    3.I do not concider atheists a bastion of morallity! BUT I do believe that the actions of atheists in general are more moral.On a personal level they do not have a mythical being to blame for thier abhorrant behaviour.Other general effects of Abrahamic monotheism is the disease that spread through Europe in the Dark Ages most definately was the fault Christian Abrahamic monotheists. They closed the bath houses , burned the wise women and declared ignorance as divine and cleanliness was too sensuous to be good. Disease spread like wildfire and was responsible for the deaths of at least two thirds of the European population!
    Slavery made a big impression thanks to the spread of Islam.We see the Levant turned into a land of blood and hate since the arrival of this jewish zionist belief. They used to live quite happily before its arrival.NONE of these beliefs have been beneficial to humanity.
    The origin of these beliefs are questionable as well. IMHO it is just re-written paganism, and there is nothing theologically new in these beliefs.The idea of a Supreme being with a divine horde is VERY PAGAN!! Today you just call the supreme being, god and the gods get called angels and demons…there really is nothing new under the sun…You seem to be suggesting the Catholic church is not really christian. Another thing quite common theme in abrahamic monotheism is the belief that other abrahamic monotheists are in fact demonic/satanic…prehaps you ALL are! This could explain a lot.
    This is why I realy see Abrahamic monotheism as an invention to control populations and not really a religion at all. But spiritual people will find spirituality in everything,including abrahamic monotheism
    But I do agree with your example of you cannot blame Marx for Stalin and the same could be true of Abrahamic monotheism.
    But the idea of “the spirit” predicting the ending of “christian” beliefs and the rise of other beliefs. This is NOT a prediction it is INEVITABLE! I could of predicted that and I am not divine or even a nostradamus!
    Just look at the religions that went before.Religions about Osiris ,Isis , Zeus , Anu ,et etc…Actually if you are inventing a religion,so you know its not real, you would know that other “REAL” religions would rise, so this could actually just be proof of Abrahamic monotheisms falsehood.

    4. Your take on the rights of Israelli’s and Palestinians seems to be coloured by your belief in abrahamic monotheism. IF you are the descendant of “Moses” and a semitic people,then your DNA wouldshow this, as it does for me and my Celtic ancestors which stretches back a lot longer than 4,000 years!
    Sorry these people are NOT the descendants of the biblical hebrews!! Isn’t there even something in the bible warning about false jews?
    IF these people feel the need to live in the Palestine they should IMMIGRATE ,just like the rest of the human race has to do!
    Otherwise it is just colonialsm and quasi-religious mumbo jumbo!
    BTW ther is a homeland for modern Jewish people BIROBIDJHAN
    Meanwhile IN REALITY
    Your continued support for eastern Europeans stealling land in the Palestine is threatening the end of life on Earth with starting WWIII!! These are converts to a myth not the descendants. Would you support the removal of indigenous peoples so the believers in “gods an alien” can build a landing pad for gods UFO? Because they too are just converts to a myth with little or no DNA conection to the original concept! ..the alien god believers tend to have more real evidence, but I am not convinced by this theory either. Its certainly not worth risking WWIII over and neither is abrahamic monotheism!
    IF I was near a abrahamic montheist with his book in one hand and the other hand over a nuclear button, I would put him down like the rabid dog he is. European ,middle eastern or gods chosen ,makes no difference to me, and I certainly would not loose any sleep over it.ALL just radid dogs threatening my children!!

    5.Humanity is a decent animal. It is its nature to be so.You usually have to threaten it to make it do wrong, survival is a strong incentive. We can see this in ancient manuscripts where you will find stories of love ,beauty ,mercy ,understanding , and other virtous things. You will find stela in Sumeria and Egypt that tell people ,thou shalt not murder , steal, rape etc etc. Abrahamic monotheism did not bring these values to mankind. In fact if you look at the spread of abrahamic monotheism you see these GOOD values disappearing with the arrival of abrahamic monotheism, time and time again!! Yet another fact that suggests an “evil” force behind abrahamic monotheism…perfumed lies and bloody actions.

    Your view on Islam seems a bit coloured as well. “Plagarism spread by the sword” ,I think you describe it as. I agree .BUT I see no difference with the spread of christianity in Europe! Mass beheadings of pagans was common in “christendom”, excommunications ,witch burnings etc… yes a much more civilised way to spread abrahamic monotheism?!?!?!?!
    I do not see society turning on its religious peoples ,unless provoked or deluded into doing so,possibly by religious zealots.The attacks seen against religious people in the past have usually been the result of payback! ..and therefore understandable. I see religions just fading away and spiritualism becoming more common. As science proves the lies of biblical dogma ,its foundations will crumble but spiritualism will live on ,as it did when the ancient beliefs crumbled.
    BUT I may not agree with what you say ,BUT I will definately stand up for your right to say it!
    IF religious people are being persecuted in my neighbourhood I will defend them against the aggressors!
    …..that is why I stand up for the Palestinians!!
    I do not believe in Islam ,but I do believe in thier right to live in thier indigenous land and believe what they want to believe without presecution!!!!
    IF Israellis have a claim to this land,there will be some REAL EVIDENCE, not concocted unsubstantieted mumbo jumbo with no science to back it up.
    …..Walk into the light ….and out of the darkness.

    Mikey you seem a genuine spiritual person. You seem to be truthful and tolerant .My best wishes to you and your loved ones and have a relaxing Sunday

  5. cuthulan says:

    You mention ranting…
    I in posts gone by,am guilty of ranting myself,as well as being stubborn ,opinionated and posting in anger and drunkeness. The written word is a clumsy device. It is hard to understand the tone and emotional/intelectual meaning underlying it. So misunderstandings and offense ,when none was meant, can easily happen. There have been posts that I have made ,that when I re-read later I cringe at what seems offensive and rude ,when that was really not my true meaning. I apologise to all that I may of unintentionally offended.
    What I am trying to say is if you want your personal truth to be respected ,you must show the same respect or at least tolerance ,for other peoples personal truths, even when they are the opposite of yours.Lead by example ,and try and be the best human being you can be and it can only help support your beliefs in the eyes of others. Never live in fear. Strive to be good and happy.
    Remember because someone believes different things from you ,it does NOT make them EVIL!
    IMHO science is a very useful tool in the search for truth. It is with this tool we can test the metal of our beliefs and adjust them when facts appear.
    Ultimately how the Israel/Palestine situation is resolved is really none of my business ,so long as it does not effect my well being and continued existance of life on planet Earth. All I ask is that this situation resolves itself without endless bloodshed or starting WWIII.
    Abrahamic monotheists the world watches your example…..its time to show us your divine humanity.
    Violence breeds violence
    Education breeds understanding
    Peace to everyone
    Thank you for your patience and tolerance.

    • mikey says:

      Well firstly, let me start by saying; I am not an archaeologist nor a recognised historian, but an unknown, a person who enjoys learning and theorising, for such is the stuff of life when mixed with reason and a willingness to listen. Such I believe is what made the ancient Greeks understand more in their time in history then other’s, they having the ability to consider & wonder? My rationale’ behind the use of information is undoubtedly to support the bible however, none the less I would like to think that I am open to learning or correcting my Biblical understandings; that I am not an authority or complete source of knowledge; but only a student in life ☺. Regarding Egyptian history and the varied chronologies that exist, I personally call for a revision of Egyptian history and it’s many perceived chronologies, as there is little it seems to agree upon and many gaps exist, though disagreement is a path to understanding as well. Some Egyptian dynasties are now known to have been contemporary with each other, thus some historians and archaeologists now suggest the dates of Egyptian history need to be significantly reduced by centuries. Even removing the 3rd intermediate period altogether (Dynasties 21-24) We have more questions on Egyptian history then we do answers, so to foolishly think we can relax and accept what has been learnt thus far or concluded is indeed premature.
      I said previously that I would submit archaeological evidence & artefacts to support biblical chronology and thus hope by extension; to present the bible as a reliable and historical source, of which the unbelieving academic world prefers to ignore or discount. I will attempt to do this as simply as possible, so that the task of reading isn’t in need of deciphering or too long winded to read, here’s hoping!! ☺
      I will start first with some Assyrian history.
      Assyrian history can be accurately synchronized with Biblical chronology. A 2m high pillar in the British Museum depicts Shalmaneser III receiving tribute from the Israelite king Jehu. Jehu’s history is recorded in 2Kings 9 & 10. The biblical date for Jehu’s reign is 841-814BC & the Assyrian date for Shalmaneser is 859-824 BC; these dates are clearly in agreement and verified by independently from each source. Here’s a link to the artefact >> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/t/black_obelisk_of_shalmaneser.aspx
      A set of reliefs called the Lachish reliefs; also in the BM illustrate Israelite prisoners being sent into exile by Assyrians under Sennacherib, who according to 2Kings 18:13 captured the cities Judea.
      Let’s now consider the lesser-known Hittites, who at one time were considered an invention of the bible, for it was believed they never existed, but only as a make believe tale of the Bible. We base our information on data yes? But… the Bible’s was rejected in this instance; its religious context caused the rejection of its historical worth it seems? Thus, It’s been extremely difficult to nut out some form of chronology for them, however they did exist! In the Tel el Amarna letters, the Hittite king sent Akhenaten a letter of congratulations; when he had first came to the throne. So by lining up the dates for Akhenaten we can begin to secure dates for the Hittites & their Empire. It is believed by 1200BC the Hittites had been wiped out by the sea peoples, but in 8thC.BC the Assyrian King Shalamaneser III fights against the Hittites, which were recorded by himself; though present Egyptian dating places them around 400 yrs earlier, problem???? But not in the Bible, which refers to the Hittites as a strong army in the 9th C BC (2 Kings 7:6.) What we find is that when we use Hittite & Assyrian history against the biblical accounts the pieces of the puzzle fit, though interpretation of the accepted Egyptian timeline does not; it is highly unlikely that both H & A are incorrect against modern academic interpretations or conclusions upon Egyptian chronology, though Biblical written sources are denied a rightful voice in these academic pursuits.
      The Taylor Prism, also in the BM; considered one of the most important Assyrian documents to be found thus far, tells how King Sennacherib “shut up Hezekiah like a bird in a cage.” as a consequence of laying siege to Jerusalem. 2 Kings 18:17 states for the record that Hezekiah paid Sennacherib “30 talents of gold.” See here>> http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_objects/me/t/the_taylor_prism.aspx
      So it is well worth considering the inaccuracy of present Egyptian dating against neighbouring countries, not just of Israel and the Bible. To rely on Egyptian timelines only is foolhardy to say the least, though many people do it appears.
      Not all pyramids were stone; some were mud bricks, mixed with straw. Exodus 5:7 verifies this, but further to the point the mud brick pyramids at Hawarra (Faiyyum Oasis of Cairo) of Amenemhet III of 12th Dynasty gives us an example of Pyramids built with mud bricks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawara
      An Egyptian artefact called “Hungry Rock” reads; “Hapy (the river god) had failed to come in time in a period of 7 years. Grain was scant, kernels were dried up, scarce was every kind of food.” This clearly accounts a time of great famine in the land. Eerily this is similar to the biblical account of Genesis 41:54. Here’s an image of the rock>>> http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/utp/chap11/inscription.jpg
      Egyptian chronology dates the 18th Dynasty between 1550 & 1200BC, the Bible however dates the Hebrew exodus about 1445BC, placing the oppression of the Israelite slaves in the 18th Dynasty. Obviously people have criticised or undermined the biblical exodus and conclude it as unhistorical, though if the chronological view is shifted, the 12th Century allows for evidence in the exodus account to be considered. The issue is chronological understanding! The dates for the Middle kingdom are all over the shop, so it’s hard pressed to find many who share the same ideas on it. Archaeological evidence does support the wide use of slaves in the 12th C BC. A papyrus in the Brooklyn Museum records the presence of Asiatic slaves in Egypt, they were of a Semitic group from the north-west. The information gained form the Merneptah Stele is an important artefact to consider here as well. http://lh5.ggpht.com/-4qjq71ECWlw/TvNUaiC7QsI/AAAAAAAACcg/BpDeMIHRIy8/Merneptah%252520Stele%25252C%252520tb110900398%25255B6%25255D.jpg
      I will end here for now and elaborate on this in further posts.

      Cheers.

  6. mikey says:

    And, I appreciate your conversation above!

  7. cuthulan says:

    @mikey
    Wow, thank you again mikey for your time and effort in putting this case together. I’ll try and be brief, I have short posting window….
    You have given me a few things to research,but a quick word of warning.
    I cannot accept the bible as historical reference because we KNOW it has been re-written many times by many different men for many different reasons.The changes made where dramatic. for example in the original flood myth of Sumeria ,mankind promises god NOT to go forth and multiply !! BUT they can be used as a guide post to find real evidence.Troy was found in such a way using the ancient stories.SO The original texts or other surviving corroberating texts can be accepted, which I see you have used.
    The only other point I would like to make is the willful destruction,by abrahamic monotheists of all varieties, of ancient artifacts that go against biblical dogma is still alive and well. If you watch the documentries that I posted in my blogs you will see this for yourself.
    SO the archeological evidence that we have today is EVERYTHING that supports biblical dogma and only the SURVIVORS of centuries of religious inquistion that go against it! Even after all this , the weight of evidence is against the biblical dogma….
    The exodus I believe happened in 2 stages.Stage 1 was the fall of the Hyksos and thier enslavement. Stage 2 was the slaves leaving Egypt after being forced to build a city of RA on the ruins of Avairs, the Hyksos city of SET!
    Ther are still hyksos pharoh stele today dedicated to SET.(see documentry in blog)
    We know Ahmose I’s army took hyksos slaves.
    “Then Avaris was despoiled. Then I carried off spoil from there: one man, three women, a total of four persons. Then his majesty gave them to me to be slaves.”
    Modern historians identify the expulsion of the Hyksos with the Exodus. Significant in this identification is the fact that some Hyksos pharaohs had names familiar from Israelite traditions, such as Jacobaam of the 16th dynasty.
    Josephus identifies the Israelite Exodus with the first exodus mentioned by Manetho, when some 480,000 Hyksos “shepherd kings” (also referred to as just as ‘shepherds’, as ‘kings’ and as ‘captive shepherds’ in his discussion of Manetho) left Egypt for Jerusalem.The mention of “Hyksos” identifies this first exodus with the Hyksos period (16th century BC).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos#Who_were_the_Hyksos.3F
    THE first mention of Israelites is the Merneptah stele. This suggests that the Israelites where the Hyksos/Ha ibru while in Egypt.
    The hyksos people are shown wearing the cloaks of many colors associated with the mercenary Mitanni bowmen and cavalry (ha ibrw) of Northern Canaan, Aram, Kadesh, Sidon and Tyre. Modern scholarship usually assumes that the Hyksos were likely Semites who came from the Levant (ie. Syria or Canaan)
    I THINK THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THE SET WORSHIPPING HYKSOS WHERE THE ISRAELITES IN EGYPT
    The merneptah Stele actually point out the NON-EXISTANCE of Israel. The stele does refer to the Israelites but as a wandering people and NOT a land or country or anything like that.It also says they where wipped out!!
    The stela does make clear that “Israel” at this stage, refers to a people or tribal confederation, the Ancient Israelites, and not a kingdom or city state, since the determinative used is that for “foreign people”, not that for “country”
    “Israel is wasted, bare of seed” or “Israel lies waste, its seed no longer exists”
    As for the rest ,it does not really support anything other than what I already say.
    There was a short lived small kingdom ruled by the house of david in the Levant after the fall of the cannanite city states.
    It was born out of blood and massacre and populated by the cannanite slave class and mountain bandits ,probably the survivors of the Hyksos expulsion.
    This was a rudimentry civilisation with little or no art.There where no great empires or massive contructions.(see digging the bible. National geographic and BBC doc on David’s kingdom)
    The Wailing Wall for example is not of Jewish construction and is nothing to do with any Jewish temple, it is a later construction.
    Ancient site holy to both Jews AND Muslims
    Coins stamped with successor to Pontius Pilate
    Construction ‘had not even begun’ by Herod’s death
    It proves that the Wall – supposedly built by Herod, the Jewish king who features prominently in the Gospels, was in fact built much later.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2065254/Coins-Jerusalems-Western-Wall-hints-sacred-site-older-Herod.html#ixzz1ebi4yJ3K
    SO the wailing Wall is a LIE. What else is also untrue?
    The ancient hebrews where polytheistic , and thier beliefs centred around EL/BAAL cannaite polytheism and AMEN/SET Egyptian polytheism. The multple idols and even references found amoungst the Israelites attests to this.(see documentry on David kingdom)
    The Stele of Ahmose I. The Pharoh that ended Hyksos rule in north Egypt ,or exodus I as I call it.Clearly refers to Ahmose worshipping a monotheistic sun deity and refering to the Hyksos leader as Prince of the desert (a title of a high priest of SET) and his people as EVIL! To a RA/Horus sun worshipper followers of SET are evil!! It was Egyptian sun worship that originally led to monotheism in Egypt NOT set worship.The “Aten” was the Ra/Horus that rejoices in the horizon.
    It is probably because AMEN is to SET worshippers ,what RA is to Horus worshippers ,that modern abrahamic monotheists still send thier prayers to AMEN
    More evidence to support this is the origins of YAHAwh
    Despite the expectations of earlier years no direct evidence of the name “Yahweh”, the tetragrammaton, in Canaanite texts has yet been found.
    “In no list of gods or offerings is the mysterious god *Ya ever mentioned; his cult at Ebla is a chimera. Yahweh was not known at Ugarit either; the singular name Yw (vocalisation unknown) in a damaged passage of the Baal Cycle
    (KTU 1.1 “Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible DDD K. van der Toorn, Bob Becking, Pieter Willem van der Horst, 1999:960)
    BUT
    At the Soleb temple of Amenhotep III to “Yhw- in the land of the Shasu”, which has been considered an early form of tetragrammaton
    This YHW is found in a temple dedicated to SET/AMEN!!
    Later these enslaved Israelites get coverted to monotheism via zoroastrainism. They have thier books written for them
    The Torah was redacted into its final five-books form around 450 BC, using elements from as early as 1000 BC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
    Although older (roughly early first millennium BCE, see Zoroaster), Zoroastrianism only enters recorded history in the mid-5th century BCE. Herodotus’ The Histories (completed c. 440 BCE) includes a description of Greater Iranian society with what may be recognizably Zoroastrian features
    According to Herodotus i.101, the Magi were the sixth tribe of the Medians (until the unification of the Persian empire under Cyrus the Great, all Iranians were referred to as Mede or Mada by the peoples of the Ancient World), who appear to have been the priestly caste of the Mesopotamian-influenced branch of Zoroastrianism
    The Babylonian Captivity had a number of serious effects on Judaism and the Jewish culture, including changes to the Hebrew alphabet and changes in the fundamental practices and customs of the Jewish religion. This period saw the last high-point of Biblical prophecy in the person of Ezekiel, followed by the emergence of the central role of the Torah in Jewish life. according to many historical-critical scholars, it was edited and redacted during this time, and saw the beginning of the canonization of the Bible, which provided a central text for Jews. This process coincided with the emergence of scribes and sages as Jewish leaders (see Ezra and the Pharisees).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_exile
    The Babylonian calendar was a lunisolar calendar with years consisting of 12 lunar months,The calendar is based on a Sumerian (Ur III) precedecessor preserved in the Umma calendar of Shulgi (ca. 21st century BC).During the 6th century BC Babylonian exile of the Hebrews, the Babylonian month names were adopted into the Hebrew calendar.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Bab…lonian_calendar
    The Hebrew calendar (Hebrew: ???? ????? ha’luach ha’ivri) or Jewish calendar is a lunisolar calendar used by Jews, now predominantly for religious purposes. It is used to reckon the Jewish New Year and dates for Jewish holidays, and also to determine appropriate public reading of Torah portions,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar
    In these stories we get the Egyptian Horus replaced with SET.
    For example ,Cain and Abel(with Eve and thier child Seth) is just the re-writing of Osiris and Set and (with Isis and thier child Horus)…..in later hebrew rewritting with Seth becoming the Horus.
    According to Genesis 4:25, Seth(Horus) was born after the slaying of Abel by Cain,(Osiris by Set) and Eve(Isis) believed God(Amen/Ra) had appointed him as “replacement” for Abel(Osiris) “because Cain(Set) killed him.” etc.. etc..
    As a result of Cyrus’ policies, the Jews honored him as a dignified and righteous king. He is the only Gentile to be designated as a messiah, a divinely-appointed king, in the Tanakh (Isaiah 45:1-6).
    We also know TODAY from DNA ,the people that call themselves Jewish have NO CONNECTION to these ancient hebrews! Is there not something in the bible about false jews?
    These people are just the descendants of later converts.In the beginning Judaism was a converting religion just like its later versions of Islam and christainity. We have many Greek and Roman references to this.(see my comment section -invention of judaism)
    The Invention of the Jewish People (Hebrew: מתי ואיך הומצא העם היהודי?‎, Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?, literally When and How was the Jewish People Invented?) is a study of the historiography of the Jewish people by Shlomo Sand, Professor of History at Tel Aviv University. It has generated a heated controversy
    Judaism was originally, like its two cousins, a proselytising religion. Many of the present day world Jewish population are descendants of European, Russian and African groups.
    According to Sand, the original Jews living in Israel, contrary to popular belief, were not exiled following the Bar Kokhba revolt.[10] Sand argues that most of the Jews were not exiled by the Romans, and were permitted to remain in the country. Many Jews converted to Islam following the Arab conquest, and were assimilated among the conquerors. He concludes that the progenitors of the Palestinian Arabs were Jews
    Sand began his work by looking for research studies about forcible exile of Jews from the area now bordered by modern Israel, and its surrounding regions. He was astonished that he could find no such literature, he says, given that the expulsion of Jews from the region is viewed as a constitutive event in Jewish history. The conclusion he came to from his subsequent investigation is that the expulsion simply didn’t happen, that no one exiled the Jewish people from the region, and that the Diaspora is essentially a modern invention. He accounts for the appearance of millions of Jews around the Mediterranean and elsewhere as something that came about primarily through the religious conversion of local people, saying that Judaism, contrary to popular opinion, was very much a “converting religion” in former times. He holds that mass conversions were first brought about by the Hasmoneans under the influence of Hellenism, and continued until Christianity rose to dominance in the fourth century CE
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People
    THIS IS CONFIRMED BY MODERN DNA!! SO THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEIST BOOK BURNERS AND WITCH HUNTERS HAVE THIER KNIVES OUT AND ARE DESTROYING SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS
    A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
    Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.
    The paper, ‘The Origin of Palestinians and their Genetic Relatedness with other Mediterranean Populations’, involved studying genetic variations in immune system genes among people in the Middle East.
    In common with earlier studies, the team found no data to support the idea that Jewish people were genetically distinct from other people in the region. In doing so, the team’s research challenges claims that Jews are a special, chosen people and that Judaism can only be inherited.
    Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between the two races is therefore based ‘in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences’, they conclude.
    ‘If Arnaiz-Villena had found evidence that Jewish people were genetically very special, instead of ordinary, you can be sure no one would have objected to the phrases he used in his article. This is a very sad business.’
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/25/medicalscience.genetics
    THE PALESTINAINS ARE MORE THE DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF (SET)MOSES THAN THE MODERN JEWISH PERSON!ONLY 1 IN 5 MODERN JEWS EVEN CARRY MIDDLE EASTERN DNA!! 4 OUT OF 5 ARE EASTERN EUROPEAN CONVERTS
    The Star of David?…ANCIENT NO! JEWISH? NOT REALLY
    The hexagram is a universal symbol, whose Jewish associations developed gradually. It began as the symbol of the Jewish community in Prague, probably in the 14th century, though it might have been only in the 17th century. It was recognized as the symbol of the Jews as a whole in the 19th century
    THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG .YOU WILL FIND PLENTY MORE EVIDENCE IN THIS BLOG.
    https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-judaism/
    Mikey thank you again for your time and effort and patience and tolerance in puting together your comment.

    • mikey says:

      Wow too over here, there’s a lot I will have to digest, very loaded piece of information that I will have to sift through, I couldn’t possibly reply credibly to your reply post with out reading through a few more times. When I have done so I will reply, give me a while though…. I type on the run between domestic duties of father & husband and work… all while attempting to write a book too! 🙂 So I will return, but most probably in instalments! 🙂

      * but……… things may go round in circles from time to time if you continually discredit any form of Biblical reference, so in future discussions I will address your statement; “I cannot accept the bible as historical reference because we KNOW it has been re-written many times by many different men for many different reasons.”

      I look forward to our ongoing discussions!

  8. cuthulan says:

    Theologically why I think Abrahamic monotheism is an invention is because it is exactly like paganism with authoritaianism.Paganisms supreme Being ,an uncreated creator, with a divine horde that he created along with the cosmos and mankind.Is exactly like the ABRAHAMIC god with his angels demons and his Adam and Eve.
    All these Abrahamic monotheistic stories can found in pagan originals. Therefore all the people in the abrahamic monotheistic stories
    CANNOT BE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS but where PAGANS!!!
    A lot of the stories have been tampered with..and continue to be tampered with…so unless god is releasing updates for “his word book” then its is obviously written by men. Men with thier own agendas. Men who today cover for finacial fraud and paedophile rings. If god is all knowing and all powerful he must be very happy with this situation and is therefore an abhorrant and evil deity…or he does not exist!
    Abrahamic monotheists have since been on a 2,000 year book burning and cultural genocide spree ,just the cover all this up!
    The popes seem to think he does not exist, and they should know. Because they would know, if they denied a REAL god ,what would lay in store for them!!
    Pope Boniface VIII “There was no Jesus Christ and the Eucharist is just flour and water. Mary was no more a virgin than my own mother, “(A History of the Popes,McCabe, ibid.)
    Pope Alexander VI “Almighty God! How long will this superstitious sect of Christians,and this upstart invention, endure?”
    Pope Leo X “How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors.”

    A belief in god actually answers nothing, its like a belief in aliens. It just means who or what created the god or the aliens.It is actually just a distraction from the real question and not an answer at all. To continue to believe everything in this “word book” just holds humanity back.
    Nothing comes from nothing , this is as true of god as it is the universe. BUT in your version we have an extra level of something from nothing, and as such, is less likely than a universe being created by itself or from a singlarity, for god we would need 2 singlarities ,one for a god that is capable of creating a universe and then the universe…unlikey squared!!. If god is uncreated ,in the perception of mankind ,then so can the universe be. If space and time where created with the universe, then there was no time or space before the universe and so by our perception it is uncreated and also the creator of everything.There is no need for a god in this equation! In fact god just complicates the real issue or avoids the real questions
    Reminds me of the old proverb of 3 blind wisemen meeting an elephant for the first time.
    The first wiseman feels the elephant trunk and says “it is a snake”
    The second wiseman feels the elephant leg and says “it is a tree”
    The third wiseman feels the elephant body and says “it is a wall”
    It is not until they put all thier evidence together that they discover it is an elephant.
    Maybe my “multi/universe” is just the “snake” and your “god” is the “tree” but we are actually describing the same thing ,a thing we have yet to truelly comprehend.
    Maybe god IS the universe!
    But these questions ,interesting as they are ,are not worth killing and stealing or starting WWIII over. IF you think you know god through a book , you have been decieved! If you are going to kill for this then you are just a dangerous delusional madman

    • Gunawanharjonopikanto says:

      Maybe god is universe?=Tao?confusian?god is impersonal,not involved in human bisnis,universe itself.

      • cuthulan says:

        As I say the more beliefs the better, it shows humanity is still thinking!
        In my research I have come to hold great respect for the TRUE and ancients beliefs of humanity.
        Beliefs much older and with more TRUE wisdom than all abrahamic monotheism piled together.
        Abrahamic monotheism is not a spiritual belief in my opinion!
        It is the anti-spiritual belief.,obviously invented by MEN with no spiritual beliefs ,so they could re-write the old pagan stories for thier own political benefit!
        aka Original fascism!
        ..thats all it is!

  9. cuthulan says:

    Mikey ,you have mentioned the good effects of Abrahamic monotheism on society. I know of NONE! In fact throughout history it has been a burden on humanity holding it back intelecually and scientifically and affecting our standards of living in a negative way!It has NOT brought morallity to society ,all these values existed before Abrahamic monotheism. In fact Abrahamic monotheism just gave an excuse to be immoral!! The genocidal policies used on pagan Europeans where repeated a 1000 years later on South and North Americans natives and Australian Aboriginals,thus showing it to be part of its nature and not just a nasty episode!!!
    Could you give please examples of these benefits of Abrahamic monotheism.
    Another issue with Abrahamic monotheism is its political effects.
    Religion doesn’t just hold things up and complicate the reals issues and avoids the real questions in science It does exactly the same in
    politics and social order. I think Abrahamic monotheism could be designed this way. It is a central authority temple rather than the pagan
    multi-option take your pick temple.
    I believe the modern funding of radical Islamic schools in Pakistan by the CIA was a strategy to get young people radicalised about religion
    again, instead of politics.The religious card is also getting pushed more and more in western politics.Why?
    In general..
    With radicalised religious people they are happy sitting in an empty room with only one book,those that aren’t happy will be dealt with as
    “unbelievers”,things are basic and little will change .Atrocities will happen because absurdities are believed.
    With radicalised political people the standards of living and human rights become the main issues, oppressive regimes are opposed and things
    change fast.Wonderous achievements can be made ,because the free human spirit is infinate in possibility.
    A generalisation I know BUT when dealing with populations and social controls ,we are talking generalised not personalised.
    Governments hate political populations ,governments love religious populations
    Religion keeps the political topic on irrelevant ancient myths which no one can do anything about, instead of the current realpolitik which
    could be changed ,and also provides a tool of divinde and rule, even when its the same belief, protestant ,catholic ,sunni ,shia ,orthodox or
    modern
    Keeping the radicals religious is a benefit for inefficient authoritarian governments. Secular fascism joining up with religious fascism.
    POLITIONS USE RELIGION AS A POPULATION CONTROL TOOL, A LOT OF THEM ,LIKE POPES OF OLD ,DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY OF IT
    It is why we have a situation of the CHRISTIAN “in god we trust” USA ,whose troops are massacring innocents across the world and ISLAMIC
    Saudi Arabia ,a monarchal religious dictatorship with an appaulling human rights record and has just invaded Bahrain to put down a democracy
    protest.Both these regimes have been arming terrorst paramilitaries and had special units fighting alongside them.
    And These regimes are pointing fingers at the secular socialist Syrian regime for not being democratic enough and using force on
    protestors!!!!
    You could not make this stuff up ,its so unbelievable.
    BUT THAT IS WHAT THE WAR ON TERROR WAS REALLY ABOUT. FIGHTING SECULAR SOCIALISM AND GETTING RELIGION BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT!!
    Its why we funded the mujihadin in Afghanistan instead of the secular moderates ,to fight the Soviets.
    Its why a secular Yugoslavia was Balkanised and handed over to Albanian Islamic extremists ,instead of Serbian socialists
    Its why a secualr Iraq was devastated and handed over to a religious islamic government with Iranian influence
    Its why the secular socialist Lybia was destroyed and handed over to Islamic terrorists
    Thier standards of living and freedoms have not improved ,but they have all been handed a Quran…..some smoke damaged
    While the abrahamic monotheists weep over thier dead and scream for the blood of other Abrahamic monotheists,they do not realise its thier
    political and religious masters they should be screaming at!! The blood is very much on thier hands!
    THEY MAY ULTIMATELY KILL US ALL….either in some economic political war that got out of hand or in some delusional religiously inspired
    button pushing momment from the born-again brigard.
    I know these are side issues to your comment thread, BUT if they are relevant today as real effects on social control. It would of been even
    more effective 2,000 years ago. Another thing in favour of the original fascism theory.There are many examples of leaders of Abrahamic
    monotheistic beliefs that have devout followers while thier leaders believe none of it. These include Popes and Caliphs!! Freemasons have
    been pointed out for having an organisation that its leaders believe in completely different things than its novices.Be it secualr or a
    religous organisation ,they corrupt and you never know what is really going on at the top.

    I now seem to be attacking you on 3 fronts,nothing personal.I will try and clarify the points
    1. the belief itself is an invention/myth/lie
    2. Theologically there is nothing new ,it is just rehashed paganism
    3. Its real effects on human society are very negative
    But they are the reasons why I do not believe in Abrahamic monotheism and why I think it must be exposed as a hoax, along with the equally false notion ,that governments are good for society! BUT as I say ,just because you happen to believe these things at the momment, does not make you evil.
    I apologise for bombarding you and hope you have not taken offence with these posts!

  10. cuthulan says:

    @mikey
    Some other helpful background info.
    Egyptian politics at this time began with a battle between Ra/Osiris/Horus worshippers and Amen/Set worshippers for power of the newly unified Upper and Lower Egypt.
    Amen/Set worship came via Aryan male fertility cults(Set=the horned god , Amen=Anu the Supreme Being) . Redheads where the “chosen ones” of Set(David was a redhead). Red animals where sacrificed to Set(the judaic Red Heffer). The Set staff was the symbol of power(The rod of Aaron) circumcistion was a sacrifice to a male fertility god.
    Ra/Osiris was sun and goddess worship.
    This can be seen in the Egyptian myths of Osiris vs Set, with Set winning and then falling to the avenging Horus.
    Set at this time had the title his Majesty, a title only shared with RA.
    This political battle was still going on.
    The priests of Amun(Amen) where in fact the REAL power in Egypt at this time and the Pharohs where puppets that ruled from the Thebbes, the power base of the priest of Amun. Thier Pharohs tended to be dedicated to Set or Amen.
    It was the sun worshipping Pharohs of RA/Horus that rebelled against this power base and also brought monotheism through Ra/Horus worship. Aten was the first,but ultimately failed.His son TutenAten changed his name to TutenAmen and brought back the power of Thebbes, shortly after he died! But Ramoses II also did what Akenaten did.Dedicated to RA in heaven and as pharoh personifying the Horus on Earth He built 3 cities ALL dedicated to the sun and moved his power base away from Thebbes.He started a long line of Ra/Horus independantly powerful Pharohs.
    FYI The house of Ramoses had risen from military obscruity to be Pharohs probably because they where Redheads and supportted as chosen one of set by the priest of Amun. Ramoses II father was Seti I and ruled from Thebbes.
    This rebellion would of been opposed by the Amen/Set worshipping polytheists of the priest of Amun.
    This is where we get the My god vs Your god..it is
    RA=moses vs SET=moses
    The cannaite hebrews where not allowed to mention gods name, so Setmoses would be called Moses by Set worshipping hebrews.
    In this case the Set worshippers and priest of Amun lost the power struggle.
    It is after the fall of the Hyksos that Set worship became unpopular and his images where removed from Egyptian temples to be replaced with Apis or Anubis.
    With Set removed from the Egyptian religio/political scene Amen was merged with Ra and became a monotheistic belief alongside the popular Osiris and Isis cult.
    FYI
    You can test for Palestinain DNA
    You can test for Celtic DNA
    You can test for Norse DNA
    You can test for African DNA
    etc, etc, etc
    YOU CANNOT TEST FOR JEWISH DNA
    IT DOES NOT EXIST
    THEREFORE IT IS AN INVENTION , A MYTH , A FABLE!!

  11. cuthulan says:

    A BIT MORE DETAIL FOR YOU….SOMETHING TO GET YOUR TEETH INTO…ANCIENT EGYPT WAS A FASINATING PLACE FULL OF SPIRITUAL IDEAS AS WELL AS GREAT WORKS OF ART AND ARCHITECTURE…THE ONES THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS DID NOT BURN OR DESTROY!!!
    Ahmose resumed large construction projects like those before the second intermediate period. In the south of the country he began constructing temples mostly built of brick, one of them in the Nubian town of Buhen. In Upper Egypt he made additions to the existing temple of Amun at Karnak and to the temple of Montu at Armant.[36] According to an inscription at Tura,[37] he used white limestone to build a temple to Ptah and the southern harem of Amun, but did not finish either project
    two temples constructed by Ahmose’s queen, Ahmose-Nefertary. One of these structures also bears bricks stamped with the name of Chief Treasurer Neferperet, the official responsible for re-opening the stone quarries at el-Ma’asara (Tura) in Ahmose’s year 22. A third, larger temple (Temple C) is similar to the pyramid temple in form and scale, but its stamped bricks and details of decoration reinforce that it was a cult place for Ahmose-Nefertary
    THUS HYKSOS/HEBREW KNOWLEDGE OF EGYPTIANS USING BRICKS TO BUILD
    36.Grimal, Nicolas. A History of Ancient Egypt. Librairie Arthéme Fayard, 1988. ISBN 90-04-12989-8.
    37.^ a b Quarry Inauguration, accessed July 28, 2006.http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/quarry_inauguration.htm
    THE HYKSOS/EGYPTIAN GOD SET
    God of storms, the desert, and chaos
    Set (also spelled Seth, Setesh, Sutekh, Setekh or Suty) was a god of the desert, storms, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In later myths he was also the god of darkness, and chaos. In Ancient Greek, the god’s name is given as Σήθ (Seth).
    In Egyptian mythology, Set is portrayed as the usurper that killed and mutilated his own brother Osiris. Osiris’ wife Isis reassembled Osiris’ corpse and embalmed him. Osiris’ son Horus, sought revenge upon Set, and the myths describe their conflicts. The death of Osiris and the battle between Horus and Set is a popular theme in Egyptian mythology.
    AS SET IS A VERSION OF THE ARYAN “HORNED GOD” ,ORIGINALLY A FOREST ANIMAL.IT HAS NO EQUIVILANT IN A DESERT EGYPT!! HIS BELIEF/WORSHIP IS SO OLD IT IS A PROMINEMT FORCE IN THE BIRTH OF EGYPT!
    In art, Set is mostly depicted as a fabulous creature, referred to by Egyptologists as the Set animal or Typhonic beast. The Typhon has a curved snout, square ears, forked tail, and canine body; sometimes, Set is depicted as a human with only the head of the Set animal. It does not resemble any known creature, although it could be seen as a composite of an aardvark, a donkey, a jackal, or a fennec
    The earliest representations of what may be the Set animal comes from a tomb dating to the Naqada I phase of the predynastic period (3790 BC–3500 BC), though this identification is uncertain. If these are ruled out, then the earliest Set-animal appears on a mace head of the Scorpion King, a protodynastic ruler. The head and the forked tail of the Set animal are clearly present
    Regardless, once the two lands were united, Set and Horus were often shown together crowning the new pharaohs, as a symbol of their power over both Lower and Upper Egypt. Queens of the 1st Dynasty bore the title “She Who Sees Horus and Set.” The Pyramid Texts present the pharaoh as a fusion of the two deities. Evidently, pharaohs believed that they balanced and reconciled competing cosmic principles. Eventually the dual-god Horus-Set appeared, combining features of both deities (as was common in Egyptian theology, the most familiar example being Amun-Ra).
    THE STORY
    In the mythology of Heliopolis, Set was born of the sky goddess Nut and the earth god Geb. Set’s twin sister and wife was Nepthys. Nut and Geb also produced another set of twins who became husband and wife: the divine Osiris and Isis, whose son was Horus. The myth of Set’s conflict with Horus, Osiris, and Isis appears in many Egyptian sources, including the Pyramid Texts, the Coffin Texts, the Shabaka Stone, inscriptions on the walls of the temple of Horus at Edfu, and various papyrus sources. The Chester Beatty Papyrus No. 1 contains the legend known as The Contention of Horus and Set. Classical authors also recorded the story, notably Plutarch’s De Iside et Osiride.[4]
    These myths generally portray Osiris as a wise lord, king, and bringer of civilization, happily married to his sister, Isis. Set was envious of his brother, and he killed and dismembered Osiris. Isis reassembled Osiris’ corpse and embalmed him. As the archetypal mummy, Osiris reigned over the afterworld as a king among deserving spirits of the dead. Osiris’ son Horus was conceived by Isis with Osiris’ corpse. Horus naturally became the enemy of Set, and the myths describe their conflicts. Some Egyptologists have reconstructed these as Set poking out Horus’s left eye, and Horus retaliating by castrating Set. However the references to an eye and testicles appear more indirect, referring to the evil Set sexually abusing the young Horus, who protects himself by deflecting the seed of Set, which can be construed as the theft of Set’s virile power.[5]
    THIS GIVES US THE EYE OF HORUS SYMBOL AND MARKS THE END OF SET IN EGYPT AS A MALE FERTILITY GOD AND POSSIBLY THE END OF PHARONIC LINEAGE ,IT ALSO LAYS GROUDWORK FOR LATER BIBLICAL STORIES
    It has also been suggested that the myth may reflect historical events. According to the Shabaka Stone, Geb divided Egypt into two halves, giving Upper Egypt (the desert south) to Set and Lower Egypt (the region of the delta in the north) to Horus, in order to end their feud. However, according to the stone, in a later judgment Geb gave all Egypt to Horus. Interpreting this myth as a historical record would lead one to believe that Lower Egypt (Horus’ land) conquered Upper Egypt (Set’s land); but, in fact Upper Egypt conquered Lower Egypt. So the myth cannot be simply interpreted
    The pyramid form was associated with the sun god Re, who had been overshadowed by Amun in importance. One of the meanings of Amun’s name was the hidden one, which meant that it was now theologically permissible to hide the Pharaoh’s tomb by fully separating the mortuary template from the actual burial place. This provided the added advantage that the resting place of the pharaoh could be kept hidden from necropolis robbers. All subsequent pharaohs of the New Kingdom would be buried in rock-cut shaft tombs in the Valley of the Kings
    BASED IN SOUTHERN(UPPER)EGYPT WITH ITS THEBBAN CAPITAL AMEN/AMUN WOULD HOLD INFLUENCE.
    WE SEE EGYPTIANS WORSHIP SET DIFFERENTLY FROM THE HYKSOS
    AT THIS TIME EGYPTIANS SEE SET AS THE GUARDIAN OF POLYTHEISTIC BELIEFS AGAINST “THE CHAOS”
    45.Shaw, Ian. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press, 2000. ISBN 0-19-815034-2.
    4.^ H. te Velde, Seth, God of Confusion: A Study of His Role in Egyptian Mythology and Religion, Probleme der Ägyptologie, 6, G. E. van Baaren-Pape, transl. (W. Helck. Leiden: Brill 1967), chapter 2.
    5.^ H. te Velde, Seth, God of Confusion: A Study of His Role in Egyptian Mythology and Religion, Probleme der Ägyptologie, 6, G. E. van Baaren-Pape, transl. (W. Helck. Leiden: Brill 1967), pp. 32-41.
    ORIGINALLY SET WORSHIPPERS PROBABLY DID HOLD SWAY. THAT WAS WHY THE CAPITAL WAS IN THEBBES FOR SO LONG
    BUT THIS ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU REALISE THAT THE HYKSOS RULE PUT EGYPTIAN PEOPLE OFF WORSHIPPING SET!!
    BY THE 22ND DYNASTY ALL REFERENCES TO SET ON TEMPLES HAD BEEN REPLACED
    AMEN BECAME A MAJOR INFLUENCIAL DEITY COMBINED WITH RA “AMEN-RA” AND OSIRIS AND ISIS WAS THE OTHER MAJOR BELIEF IN LATER EGYPT
    SET WORSHIP HAD JUST BEEN FORGOTTEN AND ABANDONED…THANKS TO THE HYKSOS. NOT THE BEST START FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE “NEW GOD”
    This political split was echoed in the Osiris & Isis myth, and subsequent battle with Horus. The followers of Horus thus denigrated Set as chaotic and evil. By the 22nd Dynasty, Set was equated with his old enemy, Apep, and his images on temples were replaced with those of Sobek or Thoth. Most modern popular misconceptions of Set come from Plutarch’s secondary source interpretations of Set (via the writings of Herodotus et al.), long after Set’s demonization (circa 100 A.D., Roman Period in Egypt).
    Set was further demonized immediately after the Hyksos Period. The evidence from the Nineteenth Dynasty proves that this is a more complex picture
    THE RISE OF THE NINETEENTH DYNASTY AND A GOLDEN AGE FOR EGYPT
    Set in the Second Intermediate and Ramesside Periods
    During the Second Intermediate Period, a group of Asiatic foreign chiefs known as the Hyksos (literally, “rulers of foreign lands”) gained the rulership of Egypt, and ruled the Nile Delta, from Avaris. They chose Set, originally Upper Egypt’s chief god, the god of foreigners and the god they found most similar to their own chief god, as their patron, and so Set became worshiped as the chief god once again.The Hyksos at their capital Avaris worshiped and venerated Seth in the Second Intermediate Period (1650-1550 BCE)due to his association with the thunder god Baal.
    The Hyksos King Apophis is recorded as worshiping Set in a monolatric way: “[He] chose for his Lord the god Seth. He didn’t worship any other deity in the whole land except Seth.” Jan Assmann argues that because the Ancient Egyptians could never conceive of a “lonely” god lacking personality, Seth the desert god, who was worshiped exclusively, represented a manifestation of evil.[5]
    The Hyksos had Canaanite names, as seen in those with names of Semitic deities such as Anath or Ba’al.Apophis is refered to as a “Chieftain of Retjenu (i.e. Canaan)” in a stela which implies a Canaanite background for this Hyksos king: this is the strongest evidence for a Canaanite background for the Hyksos. Khyan’s name “has generally been interpreted as Amorite “Hayanu”Seuserenre Khyan, Khian or Khayan was reportedly the fourth king of the Hyksos Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt who ruled approximately c.1610-1580 BC a stela set up in Avaris contains the nomen and prenomen of Khayan and a now lost dedication (presumably to Seth, Lord of Avaris)
    THE EXODUS TO GAZA EXODUS 1
    The first pharaoh of the 18th dynasty, Ahmose I, finally expelled the Hyksos from their last holdout at Sharuhen in Gaza by the 16th year of his reign.[6][7] Scholars have taken the increasing use of scarabs and the adoption of some Egyptian forms of art by the Fifteenth Dynasty Hyksos kings and their wide distribution as an indication of their becoming progressively Egyptianized.[8] The Hyksos used Egyptian titles associated with traditional Egyptian kingship, and took the Egyptian god Seth to represent their own titulary deity
    THE TWO FACES OF SET THE EGYTPIAN MASTER OF CHAOS BECOMES A DEMONIC EVIL FOREIGNER (AKA HYKSOS)
    When Ahmose I overthrew the Hyksos and expelled them from Egypt, Egyptian attitudes towards Asiatic foreigners became xenophobic, and royal propaganda discredited the period of Hyksos rule. Nonetheless, the Set cult at Avaris flourished, and the Egyptian garrison of Ahmose stationed there became part of the priesthood of Set.
    The founder of the nineteenth dynasty, Ramesses I came from a military family from Avaris with strong ties to the priesthood of Set. Several of the Ramesside kings were named for Set, most notably Seti I (literally, “man of Set”) and Setnakht (literally, “Set is strong”). In addition, one of the garrisons of Ramesses II held Set as its patron deity, and Ramesses II erected the so-called Four Hundred Years’ Stele at Pi-Ramesses, commemorating the 400 year anniversary of the Set cult in the Delta.
    Set also became associated with foreign gods during the New Kingdom, particularly in the Delta. Set was also identified by the Egyptians with the Hittite deity Teshub, who was a storm god like Set.
    There were at least two more subsidiary shrines in Sepermeru in Dynasties XIX and XX: a sanctuary called the “House of Seth, Powerful-is-His-Mighty-Arm,” and a cult-place called “The Sunshade of Re-Horakhte” (P. Wilbour, A45,11 and S29 and 169). Like the Nephthys temple, these smaller shrines were considered affiliations or dependencies “within the House” (or primary temple enclosure) of Seth, who was supreme “Lord” of the town.
    THE CULT OF SET IN EGYPT IS FORGOTTEN AND DIES
    Sepermeru is perhaps of most interest to modern Egyptologists because of its status as one of the chief ancient Egyptian cult centers of Seth, along with the cities of Ombos, Nagada, and Avaris . It is thought that the cult of Seth waned considerably after Dynasty XX, due to the increasing “demonization” of this deity and his association with territories and priorities increasingly considered foreign to the general interests of Egypt.
    a late inscription in the Ptolemaic temple of Horus at Edfu makes reference to “Seth of Sepermeru,” albeit with an insulting caveat that the god’s canals in this district had become “dried-up and useless” (cf. P. Wilson, A Ptolemaic Lexikon, p. 827).
    5.^ “Of God and Gods”, Jan Assmann, p47-48, University of Wisconsin Press, 2008, ISBN 0-299-22550-X
    6.^ Grimal, Nicolas. A History of Ancient Egypt, p.193. Librairie Arthéme Fayard, 1988.
    7.^ Redford, Donald B. History and Chronology of the 18th Dynasty of Egypt: Seven Studies, pp.46–49. University of Toronto Press, 1967.
    8.^ Booth, Charlotte. The Hyksos Period in Egypt. p.15-18. Shire Egyptology. 2005. ISBN 0-7478-0638-1
    I BELIEVE THE FINAL STRAW FOR THE REMAINING ENSLAVED HYKSOS WAS RAMOSES II BUILDING HIS CITY IF RA ON THE RUINS OF THE HYKSOS CITY OF SET ,AVAIRS
    THIS IS WHAT LED TO EXODUS II AND THE FLEEING TO CANNAN
    THERE ARE INSCRIPTIONS IN THE QUARRIES OF PI-RAMESES OF SEMITIC SLAVES BEGGING “EL” TO SAVE THEM (SEE EXODUS DECODED DOCUMENTRY)
    FOR THE SEMITES SET REMAINS A FERTILITY GOD AS WELL AS A STORM GOD ,BUT NOW WITH HIS OLD CANNANITE TITLE
    ANCIENT CANNANITE POLYTHEISTIC EL/BA’AL WORSHIP
    EL
    ʾĒl (written aleph-lamed, e.g. Ugaritic: 𐎛𐎍, Phoenician: 𐤀𐤋, Classical Syriac: ܐܠ‎, Hebrew: אל‎, Arabic: إل‎ or Arabic: إله‎, cognate to Akkadian: ilu) is a Northwest Semitic word meaning “deity”.
    In the Canaanite religion, or Levantine religion as a whole, Ēl or Il was the supreme god, the father of humankind and all creatures and the husband of the goddess Asherah as recorded in the clay tablets of Ugarit (modern Rās Shamrā – Arabic: رأس شمرا‎, Syria).[2]
    The bull was symbolic to Ēl and his son Ba’al Hadad, and they both wore bull horns on their headdress. [3][4] He may have been a desert god at some point
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_(deity)
    Matthews, Victor Harold (August 2004). Judges and Ruth. New Cambridge Bible Commentary. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 978-0-521-00066-6. LCCN 2003053218. OCLC 52380969. http://books.google.com/?id=vU6DjPDeUUEC&printsec=frontcover.
    ^ Caquot, André; Sznycer, Maurice (1980). Ugaritic religion. Iconography of religions. 15: Mesopotamia and the Near East. Leiden, Netherlands: Brill. p. 12. ISBN 978-90-04-06224-5. LCCN 81117573. OCLC 185416183. http://books.google.de/books?id=S4geAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA12.
    van der Toorn, Karel; Becking, Bob; van der Horst, Pieter Willem (1999). Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible (2nd ed.). Leiden, Netherlands: Brill. ISBN 978-90-04-11119-6. LCCN 98042505. OCLC 39765350. http://books.google.com/?id=yCkRz5pfxz0C&printsec=frontcover.
    BAAL
    Baʿal, (bāʾ-ʿayn-lām), is a Semitic word signifying “The Lord, master, owner (male), keeper, husband”. Cognates include Standard Hebrew (Bet-Ayin-Lamed); בַּעַל / בָּעַל, Báʿal, Akkadian Bēl and Arabic بعل. The feminine form is Baʿalat (Hebrew בַּעֲלָה Baʕalah, Arabic بعلـة baʿalah) signifying “lady, mistress, owner (female), wife”.
    “Baʿal” is used as a substitute for Hadad, a god of the rain, thunder, fertility and agriculture, and the lord of Heaven. Since only priests were allowed to utter his divine name, Hadad, Ba‛al was commonly used.
    In the Canaanite pantheon as attested in Ugaritic sources, Hadad was the son of El, who had once been the primary god of the Canaanite pantheon. El and Baʿal are often associated with the bull in Ugaritic texts, as a symbol both of strength and fertility(MALE FERTILITY GODS!)
    Baʿal as a divine title in Israel and Judah
    WE SEE THE ANCIENT POLYTHEISTIC HEBREWS WHERE HAPPY TO WORSHIP BA’AL AND YHW ,OF COURSE THIS WOULD GET A POLITICAL SPIN IN THE LATER MONOTHEISTIC RE-WRITTING
    At first the name Baʿal was used by the Jews for their God without discrimination, but as the struggle between the two religions developed, the name Baʿal was given up in Judaism as a thing of shame, and even names like Jerubbaʿal were changed to Jerubbosheth: Hebrew bosheth means “shame”.
    The Priests of Baʿal are mentioned in the Hebrew Bible numerous times, including a confrontation with the Prophet Elijah (1 Kings 18:21-40), the burning of incense symbolic of prayer (2 Kings 23:5), and rituals followed by priests adorned in special vestments (2 Kings 10:22) offering sacrifices similar to those given to honor the Hebrew God. The confrontation with the Prophet Elijah is also mentioned in the Qur’an (37:123-125)
    . 1 Kings 16:31 relates that Ahab, king of Israel, married Jezebel, daughter of Ethba’al, king of the Sidonians, and then served habba’al (‘the Baʿal’.) The cult of this god was prominent in Israel until the reign of Jehu, who put an end to it (2 Kings 10:26):
    And they brought out the pillars (massebahs) of the house of the Baʿal and burned them. And they pulled down the pillar (massebah) of the Baʿal and pulled down the house of the Baʿal and turned it into a latrine until this day.
    Some scholars claim it is uncertain whether “Baʿal” the Lord in Kings 10:26 refers to Melqart. They point out that Hadad was also worshipped in Tyre. This point of view ignores the possibility that Hadad and Melqart are the same god with different names because of different languages and cultures, Hadad being Canaanite and Melqart being Phoenician. In favor of the latter interpretation, both Hadad and Melqart are described as the son of El, both carrying the same secondary position in the pantheons of each culture.
    Josephus (Antiquities 8.13.1) states clearly that Jezebel “built a temple to the god of the Tyrians, which they call Belus” which certainly refers to the Baal of Tyre, or Melqart.
    In any case, King Ahab, despite supporting the cult of this Baʿal, had a semblance of worship to Yahweh (1 Kings 16-22). Ahab still consulted Yahweh’s prophets and cherished Yahweh’s protection when he named his sons Ahaziah (“Yahweh holds”) and Jehoram (“Yahweh is high.”)
    Human sacrifice, the burning of incense, violent and ecstatic exercises, ceremonial acts of bowing and kissing, the preparing of sacred cakes (see also Asherah), appear among the offences denounced by the post-Exilic prophets; and show that the cult of Baʿal (and ʿAshtart) included characteristic features of worship which recur in various parts of the Semitic (and non-Semitic) world,
    THE AMEN/YHW/EL CONNECTION
    The Egyptian god Ptah is given the title ḏū gitti ‘Lord of Gath’ in a prism from Lachish which has on its opposite face the name of Amenhotep II (c. 1435–1420 BCE) The title ḏū gitti is also found in Serābitṭ text 353. Cross (1973, p. 19) points out that Ptah is often called the lord (or one) of eternity and thinks it may be this identification of ʼĒl with Ptah that lead to the epithet ’olam ‘eternal’ being applied to ʼĒl so early and so consistently
    YHW APPEARS NON-SEMITIC AGAIN…AND FOUND IN A TEMPLE OF AMEN
    “Shasu of Yhw”
    It is used in a list of enemies inscribed on column bases at the temple of Soleb built by Amenhotep III. Copied later by either Seti I or Ramesses II at Amarah-West,
    Regarding the “Shasu of Yhw,” Astour has observed that the “hieroglyphic rendering corresponds very precisely to the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH, or Yahweh, and antedates the hitherto oldest occurrence of that Divine Name – on the Moabite Stone – by over five hundred years.”[3] Donald B. Redford[4] concludes that the people who would eventually be the “Israel” recorded on the Merneptah Stele, and that later formed the Kingdom of Israel, were at one time known to the Egyptians as a Shasu tribe. Rainey supports this view with texts from the el-Amarna letters.[5]
    The proposed link between the Israelites and the Shasu may, however, be undermined by the fact that in the Merneptah reliefs, the group later known as the Israelites are not described or depicted as Shasu. Some scholars like Frank J. Yurco and Michael G. Hasel identify the Shasu in Merneptah’s Karnak reliefs as a separate entity from Israel since they wear different clothing, hairstyles, and are determined differently by Egyptian scribes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu
    Rainey, Anson (2008). “Shasu or Habiru. Who Were the Early Israelites?” Biblical Archeology Review 34:6 (Nov/Dec).
    Astour, Michael C. (1979). “Yahweh in Egyptian Topographic Lists.” In Festschrift Elmar Edel, eds. M. Gorg & E. Pusch, Bamberg.
    Redford, Donald B. (1992). Egypt, Canaan and Israel In Ancient Times. Princeton: Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-00086-7.
    AS FAR AS I SEE THE BIBLICAL EXODUS DID NOT HAPPEN, AS CLAIMED IN THE BIBLE! THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS MENTIONED IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS THAT WE KNOW ARE FALSE!!
    IMHO MODERN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS AN INVENTION OF OLD PAGAN STORIES RE-WRITTEN FOR THE PURPOSE OF CREATING A MONOTHEISTIC FABLE AND A MATERIAL POWER BASE.
    REMEMBER
    “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
    Revelation 2:9, KJV
    TO ME THIS SAYS ,THE WRITER OF THIS 4THCENTURY MANUSCRIPT WAS ALREADY AWARE OF CONVERTS TO THIS JUDAIC BELIEF BEING A PAIN IN THE ARSE TO THE LOCAL SOCIETY. PROBABLY BECAUSE IF THIER CHOSEN ONE OF GOD ATTITUDE
    TO YOU IT SHOULD BE THE WORD OF GOD WARNING AGAINST FALSE JEWS!!
    WE KNOW FROM DNA ,THE MODERN JEW IS NOT THE DESCENDANT OF THE ANCIENT HEBREWS..THE CLAIM IS FALSE!

    IMHO Judaic Abrahamic monotheism is a converted fertility cult , the christian version is sun worship later converted to messianic judaism. Islam is pagan moon worship converted to messianic judaism, ALL done for the purpose of material empire building .Abrahamic monotheism is a “NEW AGE RELIGION” and that age was the Age of Pices and there is something very fishy about it!
    Human beliefs and cultures go back a lot further than 2,000 or 3 ,000 years!Look into the Pan-Indo-European beliefs. Look into the roots of Hinduism Brahimism. The city of Krishna seems to have been located!! It was supposed to have sunk in the year 10,000BC.
    Druidism IMHO was just Western Brahimism and traces its roots back 18,000 years!
    Spiritual people should be free to express themselves and find thier TRUE beliefs, and NOT have someone elses DOGMA forced on them.Especially when the dogma is FALSE and the followers just destroy ancients arts works and scriptures and threaten people to keep thier fake beliefs alive!
    Spiritual fascism sucks!!

  12. cuthulan says:

    A FINAL MENTION ON YHWH ROOTS
    PERSONALLY I THINK THE SHASU LINK MAY BE A COINCIDENCE..OR IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE INSPIRATION
    THE SHASU SEEMED TO JOIN THE ISRAELITES LATER ,BUT THE SHASU AND YHW WHERE POLYTHEISTIC DEITES AS SEEN FROM A BROKEN POTERY SHARD(BBC Did God Have a Wife doc.)
    Another possibility according to the Complete Jewish Bible by author David H. Stern, proposes that the Tetragrammaton be pronounced letter for letter in Hebrew and that the name of God should be rendered by spelling out the four letters, “Yud He Vav He”, the meaning assumed to be “I am that I am” or “I am Who I am”, as revealed to Moses in the Torah
    IMHO YHWH WAS INVENTED BY THE ZOROASTRIANS IN C450BC WHEN WRITTING THE OLD TESTAMNET.
    AS THE PERSIANS WHERE ARYANS AND IN BRAHIMISM THEOLOGY “”I AM” BECOME DEATH” WAS A WELL KNOW TITLE OF SHIVA THE DESTROYER.
    “I AM THAT I AM” WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION TITLE FOR ARYAN SCRIBES ESPECIALLY WHEN DEALING WITH A PEOPLE THAT DO NOT LIKE TO MENTION THIER GODS NAME
    ADMITTEDLY THIS IS SPECULATION ON MY PART….BUT IT FITS THE FACTS SO FAR. THE ACCEPTED BIBLICAL VERSION DOES NOT!!
    AND A LAST BIT OF ARCHEOLOGY EVIDENCE..
    SO HERODS TEMPLE IS A FAKE
    Coins stamped with successor to Pontius Pilate
    Construction ‘had not even begun’ by Herod’s death
    The history of one of the world’s holiest sites – sacred to both Jews and Muslims – is set to be rewritten, following a surprise discovery in a ritual bath beneath the complex.
    …WHAT ABOUT SOLOMONS?
    FIRST WHAT ABOUT THE TEMPLE DESIGN ITSELF?
    Its general form is reminiscent of Egyptian sanctuaries and closely matches that of other ancient temples in the region
    Roland De Vaux (tr. John McHugh), Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (NY, McGraw-Hill, 1961).
    MAYBE AN EGYPTAIN TEMPLE LIKE THE TEMPLE OF SET?..WITH ITS RITUAL BATH HOUSE!!
    The Temples dedicated to Seth, the God of Evil, Chaos, Desert & Storms, were believed to be the dwelling place of this famous Egyptian God
    The temple of Seth would consist of heavy gates which accessed a massive hall with great stone columns, rooms, or chambers, were lit by candles and incense would be burnt to purify the air of the Temple,to create an atmosphere of deepening mystery until the priests reached the chapel and the shrine which contained the Naos. The Naos was the stone tabernacle inside the shrine which housed the great Statue of Seth, the God of Evil, Chaos, Desert & Storms.
    Only the Pharaoh and the Priests of Seth were allowed inside the temple and the priests would undergo ritual purification in a deep stone pool before they entered the Inner Sanctum of the Temple.
    http://www.king-tut.org.uk/egyptian-gods/seth.htm
    BUT THERE ARE OTHER TEMPLES LIKE IT….
    According to Finkelstein in The Bible Unearthed, the description of the temple is remarkably similar to that of surviving remains of Phoenician temples of the time, and it is certainly plausible, from the point of view of archaeology, that the temple was constructed to the design of Phoenicians.
    SO THE TEMPLE OF SOLOMON IS NOT EVEN A NEW OR UNIQUE DESIGN
    BUT DID IT EVEN EXIST?
    Because of the religious and political sensitivities involved, no archaeological excavations and only limited surface surveys of the Temple Mount have been conducted. Because no excavations of the site have been allowed, there is no direct archaeological evidence for the existence of Solomon’s Temple. This building is not mentioned in extra-biblical accounts which have survived
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple#Archaeology
    .^ Langmead, Donald; Garnaut, Christine (2001). Encyclopedia of architectural and engineering feats (3rd, illustrated ed.). ABC-CLIO. ISBN 157607112X, 9781576071120. http://books.google.com/?id=T5J6GKvGbmMC&pg=PA314&dq=%22solomon%27s+temple%22#v=onepage&q=%22solomon%27s%20temple%22&f=false.
    .^ Handy, Lowell (1997). The age of Solomon: scholarship at the turn of the millennium. Brill. pp. 493–494. ISBN 978-9004104761. http://books.google.com/?id=gam10TAOZusC&pg=PA494&dq=temple+of+solomon+non-biblical++contemporary#v=onepage&q&f=false.
    .^ Finkelstein, Israel, and Silberman, Neil Asher (2002). The Bible Unearthed : Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts. Simon & Schuster. pp. 128–129. ISBN 0-684-86912-8.
    THIS IS A COVER STORY .ITS THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTSIC INQUISTION IN ACTION.ALL 3 IN THIS CASE!!
    YOU DO NOT NEED TO EXCAVATE TO SEE FOUNDATIONS IN THE GROUND
    ANY GROUND SONAR WILL SHOW THE REMAINS OF SOLOMONS TEMPLE IF IT EXISTED
    …SO FAR NOTHING!! AND NO MENTION IN ANY NON-BIBLICAL REFERENCE.DO NOT EXPECT TO HEAR ANY MORE NEWS.
    YOU CAN BE BLOODY SURE NO-ONE WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXCAVATE TO PROVE ITS NON-EXISTANCE!!
    WHAT ABOUT SOLOMONS STABLES?
    An alternative view suggests that the mosque was initially a water reservoir that had been built by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in the second century, along with the stone wall currently surrounding al-Aqsa Mosque. Its overall structure closely resembles that of the Roman Ramla reservoir with stone pillars and junctions. That the reservoir was built at the same time as the wall is evident since the southern and eastern walls of the reservoir are a continuation of the wall surrounding al-Aqsa Mosque. Instead of an addition built long after the wall, the reservoir was built at the same time, as can be inferred from the joining of the stones.
    One of these vertical canals can still be seen today and is located at the level of the main entrance of the Marwani mosque. It is semi-circular and is lined with a Roman fuller of limestone mixed with ground clay and sand
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Stables
    Raef Yusuf Najm, Jordan’s Role in ensuring the protection of Islamic and Christian Holy Sites in Al Quds Al Sharif, Islamic Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (ISESCO) conference, Amman, November 2004
    THE ROMAN FULLER WAS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION ,NOT A LATER REPAIR
    SO SOLOMONS STABLES ARE NOT BUILT BY SOLOMON OR REPAIRED BY HEROD
    ANY OTHER EVIDENCE?…ONLY FORGERIES
    Ivory pomegranate ‘not Solomon’s’
    An ancient ivory pomegranate thought to be the only relic of King Solomon’s Temple is from a different period, the Israel Museum in Jerusalem has said.
    Now officials say the Hebrew inscription was only added to the pomegranate recently
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4123595.stm
    SO WHAT HAVE THEY ACTUALLY FOUND
    In 2007, artifacts dating to the 8th to 6th centuries BCE were described as being possibly the first physical evidence of human activity at the Temple Mount during the First Temple period. The findings included animal bones; ceramic bowl rims, bases, and body sherds; the base of a juglet used to pour oil; the handle of a small juglet; and the rim of a storage jar ,, stone weights for weighing silver,a seal impression containing ancient Hebrew writing which includes the name Netanyahu ben Yaush.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple#Archaeology
    THESE FINDINGS ALSO SUGGEST THE INHABITANTS WHERE POLYTHEISTS (See BBC Davids Kingdom doc.)
    NOT A LOT TO BASE A MIDDLE EASTERN COLONISATION ON IS IT?

  13. cuthulan says:

    TO PUT ZIONIST CLAIMS INTO PERSPECTIVE ,HERE IS EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER CULTURE IN 1000BC AND WHAT THEY WHERE BUILDING AND THE EVIDENCE WE FIND TODAY
    The Vitrified Forts of Scotland:
    One of the great mysteries of classical archaeology is the existence of many vitrified forts in Scotland.
    The evidence of the vitrified forts is clear: some hugely successful and organised civilisation was living in Scotland, England and Wales in prehistoric times, circa 1000 BC or more, and was building gigantic structures including forts.
    The Tap o’ Noth is a hill fort on top of the Hill of Noth, 20 miles west of Inverurie in Aberdeenshire, Scotland at grid reference NJ485293. It is the second highest fort in Scotland and its main feature is its well-preserved vitrified wall which encloses an area of approximately 100 m by 30 m. Archaeological finds from the site include a stone axe head dated to between c2000BC–c800BC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_o%27_Noth
    How do you vitrify a fort?
    There have been many theories as to how vitrification has occured in some ancient forts, ranging from the use of special chemicals to the composition of the rocks used for the forts. As a result of our research we have concluded that the in order to create a “true” vitrified rampart, the heat required is in excess of that that which would normally be the case if the rampart alone was the only fuel. Temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees Centigrate would need to be applied consistently over large areas of the wall, in close proximity for a significant period of time.
    There are said to be at least 60 such forts throughout Scotland. Among the most well-known are Tap o’Noth, Dunnideer, Craig Phadraig (near Inverness),Abernathy (near Perth), Dun Lagaidh (in Ross), Cromarty, Arka-Unskel, Eilean na Goar, and Bute-Dunagoil on the Sound of Bute off Arran Island. Another well-known vitrified fort is the Cauadale hill-fort in Argyll, West Scotland.
    Were these structures built as a means of defence? Was the vitrification the result of design or accident? How was the vitrification produced?
    In this vitrification process, huge blocks of stones have been fused with smaller rubble to form a hard, glassy mass. Explanations for the vitrification are few and far between, and none of them is universally accepted.
    BUT FROM THE FACTS IT SEEMS THE FORT VITRIFICATION WAS DONE ON PURPOSE
    BUT HOW IT WAS DONE IS STILL A MYSTERY….(IMAGINE IF THIS WAS FOUND IN PALESTINE AND DATED TO 1000BC AND BEFORE!!)
    In order to consistently achieve a satisfactory level of vitrification the heat produced by the fire must be concentrated and directed towards the ramparts. It is therefore suggested that during their construction/modification the rampart will have been shrouded by a wood and turf structure, which turned the rampart into the interior of a kiln.
    (1) Many of the Primary rocks, particularly the schists, gneisses and traps, which contain large quantities of potash and soda, can be readily fused in the open air by means of wood fires—the alkali of the wood serving in some measure as a flux. (2) The walls are chiefly vitrified at the weakest points, the naturally inaccessible parts being unvitrified. (3) When the forts have been placed on materials practically infusible, as on the quartzose conglomerates of the Old Red Sandstone, as at Craig Phadraic, and on the limestones of Dun Mac Uisneachain, pieces of fusible rocks have been selected and carried to the top from a considerable distance. (4) The vitrified walls of the Scottish forts are invariably formed of small stones which could be easily acted upon by fire,whereas the outer ramparts where used, are not vitrified and are built of large blocks. (5) Many of the continental forts are so constructed that the fire must have been applied internally, and at the time when the structure was being erected. (6) Daubrée, in an analysis which he made on vitrified materials taken from four French forts, and which he submitted to the Academy of Paris’ in February 1881, found the presence of natron in such great abundance that he inferred that sea-salt was used to facilitate fusion.
    THE TROUBLE WITH THE MODERN VIEW OF ANCIENT SOCIETIES (IMHO THANKS TO ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISMS CULTURAL SUPERIORITY ATTITUDES AND BOOK BURNING)
    WE HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE TECHNOLOGY, KNOWLEDGE, SOCIAL SOPHISTICATION AND ABILITY OF OUR ANCIENT ANCESTORS
    THESE WHERE SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE. JUST AS INTELIGENT AS YOU OR ME.
    One problem with all the many theories is their assumption of a primitive state of culture associated with ancient Scotland.
    It is astonishing to think of how large and well coordinated the population or army must have been that built and inhabited these ancient structures. Janet and Colin Bord in their book, Mysterious Britain,speak of Maiden Castle to give an idea of the vast extent of this marvel of prehistoric engineering.
    It covers an area of 120 acres, with an average width of 1,500 feet and length of 3,000 feet. The inner circumference is about 11 miles round, and it has been estimated…that it would require 250,000 men to defend it!
    With 250,000 men defending a fort, we are talking about a huge army in a very organised society. This is not a bunch of fur-wearing Picts with spears defending a fort from marauding bands of hunter-gatherers. The questions remain, though. What huge army might have occupied these cliffside forts by the sea or lake entrances? And what massive maritime power were these people unsuccessfully defending themselves against?(Long time before the Vikings)
    http://logos_endless_summer.tripod.com/id139.html
    Settlements such as the one found in East Lothian had to be fortified as tribal warfare became a way of life for the Caledonians. Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, the Celts built hill forts all over Scotland.
    The Celts also built artificial islands called Crannogs for shelter against animals and invaders. These so-called floating islands were small circular homes, like huts, built on wood pilings over a pond or body of water for exceptionally good protection. And they needed that protection, sea raiders invaded Scotland, in search of slaves for the Roman Empire, a century before Christ. To better protect themselves, Celts built fortified towers called Brochs.
    http://www.scottish-history.com/origins.shtml
    ALL THIS HISTORY IS EASILY PROVEN.THERE IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ALL OVER THE PLACE
    SKARE BRA
    Skara Brae ( /ˈskɑrə ˈbreɪ/) is a large stone-built Neolithic settlement, located on the Bay of Skaill on the west coast of Mainland, Orkney, Scotland. It consists of ten clustered houses, and was occupied from roughly 3180 BCE–2500 BCE. Europe’s most complete Neolithic village, Skara Brae gained UNESCO World Heritage Site status as one of four sites making up “The Heart of Neolithic Orkney.”a Older than Stonehenge and the Great Pyramids, it has been called the “Scottish Pompeii” because of its excellent preservation.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae
    Knap of Howar on the Orkney island of Papa Westray, is a well preserved Neolithic farmstead. Dating from 3500 BCE to 3100 BCE, it is similar in design to Skara Brae, but from an earlier period, and it is thought to be the oldest preserved standing building in northern Europe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knap_of_Howar
    STANDING STONE CIRCLES AND MONOLITHS THAT GO BACK TO 1,000S OF YEARS
    The Standing Stones of Stenness is a Neolithic monument on the mainland of Orkney, Scotland. Various traditions associated with the stones survived into the modern era and they form part of the Heart of Neolithic Orkney World Heritage Site. They are looked after by Historic Scotland.
    SO WHERE IS THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS PROOF?
    THAT IS WHY I SAY RELIGIOUS JUDAISM IS AN INVENTION.ITS ORIGINAL FASCISM LIKE ALL ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM
    JEWS ARE AN INVENTED PEOPLE. ITS LIKE CALLING THE FREEMASONS A RACE OF PEOPLE
    AND MODERN ISRAEL IS AN INVENTED LAND
    BUT IT IS FOR THE MIDDLE EASTERN AND JEWISH PEOPLE TO SORT OUT THIER DIFFERENCES ,ITS REALLY NONE OF MY BUSINESS
    …….BUT WHY IS THERE A ZIONIST LOBBY IN THE UK GOVERNMENT WITH OPINIONS ON SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE?
    ITS NONE OF THIER BUSINESS!!
    WHEN IT COMES TO INDEPENDANCE SCOTTISH JEWS WILL GET THIER SAY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN SCOTLAND TODAY
    IF IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO LIVE A JEWISH LIFE, WITH JEWISH PEOPLE, IN A JEWISH CULTURE…MOVE TO BIROBIDJAN
    AND LEAVE PALESTINE IN PEACE!

    • mikey says:

      Hey Cuthulan, just a quick note to say that I have not gone anywhere. I am extremely busy at the moment and will reply in kind in time. You have indeed given me a great deal to consider and digest. I fear it will be hard to address every point, though if you want to treat this as an ongoing and lengthy discussion, then I am more then happy to continue, only that my responses will be here and there, when opportunity arises! 😀 All the best for easter, Ishtar, Pass Over or what ever ya preference – hahahaha!

      Chat later!

      M.

  14. cuthulan says:

    Hi mikey
    I apologise for bombarding you with info. For me there is just so much info why the belief is false and its negative effects seem obvious to me and sometimes I do not know when to stop 😉 I hope you have not taken offense ,I’m ranting again!
    But it is not the belief itself BUT the other effects that I am more concerned about. Plenty of people,if not all, believe things which cannot be or are not true ,but it does not stop them from being decent human beings.I include myself in this,though I try to not be ,by continually questioning what I’m told, but I am only human.
    Its the destruction of ancient cultures and knowledge,and in doing so the amnesia that humanity has for its very REAL ancient past, its the “holier than thou” “gods chosen” cultural superiority ,its the unquestioning mind control loyalty. Its a belief that closes minds and promotes bigotry and ignorance, but not in all people I admit, I am generalising again.
    Most of what I came across was found while researching the Proto-Indo-European religions and the ancient links between Druidism and Brahimism,
    Proto-Indo-European religion is the hypothesized religion of the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) peoples based on the existence of similarities among the deities,religious practices and mythologies of the Indo-European peoples
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion
    While looking into the concept of the “horned god” which was ancient and very similar in both beliefs.It became a strong diety archetype in many of the religions that sprung out of that region and belief system, including the gods EL and BAAL for the Cannites and SET was his Egyptian version , when castrated in Egyptian myth ,he obviously lost his sexual potency ,probably as well as his right to the pharoaic title.
    I was inspired to research my Celtic peoples roots by an Australian Aboriginal Elder I was staying with ,and we used to swap cultural stories and kept finding similar stories to tell each other. The snake is a feature of almost every belief system from south American to Celtic to Sumerian to Chinese.BUT if you understand that in 70,000BC at the world’s oldest place of worship humanity worshipped the snake(reasons unknown atm) and then you realise that according to our DNA ,ALL HUMANITY is descended from a male born in 60,000 or 70,000bc (female mtDNA goes back 140,000approx) then if the DNA can spread to every culture and human,then so can this ancient belief! Ancient Aliens are not required to do this!
    World’s Oldest Ritual Discovered — Worshipped The Python 70,000 Years Ago
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061130081347.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_worship
    Genetic anthropology is an emerging discipline that combines DNA and physical evidence to reveal the history of ancient human migration. It seeks to answer the questions, “Where did we come from, and how did we get here?”
    DNA studies indicate that all modern humans share a common female ancestor who lived in Africa about 140,000 years ago, and all men share a common male
    ancestor who lived in Africa about 60,000 years ago
    http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/humanmigration.shtml
    This is an archetypal belief that has spread across the globe and has lasted over 70,000 years and still is recognised today!!! One thing I find fascinating is the snake gods symbol is similar to the modern DNA spiral!! It is still found on some modern ambulances!
    Since then I have ammassed quite a wealth of information and my criteria is eye witness or original or oldest versions of texts, DNA and archeology. Leave out the medeval romantisism.Here are some posts I have made with the information.Most of these need up-dating.
    https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/druidism-was-it-western-hinduism-18000-years-old/
    https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/scottish-highland-clans-and-native-american-tribes-the-ancient-historical-and-modern-links/
    https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-history-of-the-celtic-people/
    https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-book-of-invasions-or-the-book-of-conquests-leabhar-gabhala-eireann-or-leabhar-gabhala-na-heireann-a-factual-look/
    There is nothing really special about the Celtic people, but the reality of the struggle for survival is much more interesting than the romanticised fiction.Also we can look at the Chinese culture which has manged to achieve amazing feats and achievements in science and arcitechture and philosophy and all without European or Abrahamic monotheist influence.It is actually ancient aryan Indian beliefs that gives us our religious foundations today.According to Abrahamic monoitheist beliefs Chinese ,Indians and our Celtic and Viking ancestors etc will all go to hell for being unbelievers! Not a healthy state of mind In my opinion and actually culturally very rude and disrespectful!
    I admit that some of my arguements are speculation, but its speculation that joins the dots of REAL FACTUAL evidence! Unlike the modern version of abrahmic monotheistic beliefs for which we find …no evidence! I did not stumble across this on some internet conspiracy site, it is a conclusion I came to by myself when looking at the factual evidence, as I said I was not even researching Abrahamic monotheism at the time! I have no axe to grind against its believers,in fact may I say what a good example yourself and Emanon are for your beliefs.
    Its the paedophillia , mass murder , land theft ,crime ,vandalism and culture superiority that I have a problem with!BUT I do not accuse either of you of any of this!!!
    The bible as word of god , is just not possible as we see it changing through the ages ,with bits added and removed and changed. It is a religious text that has been serverely tampered with! Also it contains copied stories from pagan originals.In a lot of cases the original message in the pagan story has been changed. As a rule of thumb, these original texts are what need to be studied to find the truth of the event. The biblical changes should be studied to find the intent of the scribe or author,Eusebius, Constantines scribe, in the case of the new testament.A devout ARIAN!
    Since he was on the losing side of the long 4th-century contest between the allies and enemies of Arianism (Eusebius was an early and vocal supporter of Arius), posterity did not have much respect for Eusebius’ person and was neglectful in the preservation of his writings
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius
    Not to be confused with Eusebius of Nicomedia (died 341) [who]was the man who baptised Constantine. Another devout ARIAN
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius_of_Nicomedia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arians
    IMHO we are not being told the REAL truth of the Arian conflict within the church.Arianism seems to be what Constantine had in mind .It also seems to be structured more like Mithras /Helios worship.There was NO JEWISH references in the original new testament.Since then a lot of re-writting has gone on!
    This sort of biblical research will not be officially carried out! Its like when we discover FAKE osama bin laden tapes etc. no-one looks for the faker…WHY? because the powers that be know who did the faking, they commisioned it!!
    Spiritual people will continue to be spiritual, whatever belief is placed in front of them,they will even find spiritualism in a piece of toast! This fact itself should be researched. I believe that the ancients where just as spiritual and devout as modern abrahamic monotheists, but thier belief systems have passed and the world still turns. I see no difference in Abrahamic monotheistic beliefs ,in fact compared to other beliefs its just a spiritual blip on the landscape.IMHO Spiritualism is a valid subject ,in ALL its forms ancient and modern, but abrahamic monotheism is an invention, but is it original fascism created by men ,or is it satanism and the corruption of a true belief by evil forces? Personally I thinks its original fascism.
    I have heard the “gods’ slow release theory” of unveiling his majestic plan.BUT I really do not believe this, so everyone born before 1AD gets a “get out of hell for free” card? Or is it just bad luck for them? What seems much more likely is humanities developing philosophical sophistication. Please read “the Golden Bough” by sir James Fraser to see how this very human unveiling of religious philosophy developed from primitive ,but understandable, beliefs!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough
    This is my personal truth ,it is the world as I see it from the facts I have discovered and the experiences I have had.No offence is ment ,just like when Abrahamic monotheists believe I’m an infidel and I’ll burn for eternity and I am a beast that walks on 2 legs.
    Again I apologise if I have caused offence, I am just pointing out facts as I see them. Facts that by thier nature ,would stand in courts of law. Facts that Abrahamic monotheists try to destroy or hide, be it texts , artifacts ,architechture or modern science journals! Don’t kid yourself , The Abrahamic INQUISITION IS ALIVE AND WELL!…be it Jewish ,Christian or Islamic!
    The Inquisition, Inquisitio Haereticae Pravitatis (inquiry on heretical perversity), was the “fight against heretics” by several institutions within the justice system of the Roman Catholic Church. It started in the 12th century, with the introduction of torture in the persecution of heresy.Inquisition practices were used also on offences against canon law other than heresy.
    Paul III (Pope from 1534 to 1549) established a system of tribunals, administered by the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Universal Inquisition”, and staffed by cardinals and other Church officials. This system would later become known as the Roman Inquisition. In 1908 Pope Saint Pius X renamed the organisation: it became the “Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office”. This in its turn became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1965,which name continues to this day.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
    Lea, Henry Charles (1888). “Chapter VII. The Inquisition Founded”. A History of the Inquisition In The Middle Ages.
    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_pro_14071997_en.html

    FYI On re-reading my posts on the invention of Abrahamic monotehism I do need to update alot of new information and work on the “tone”. I did post these ,in quick sucsession during a period of holy land bloodshed and I was very angery at ALL OF YOU!!
    IMHO ZIONISM IS A SECULAR RACIST IDEOLOGY
    Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a form of nationalism of Jews and Jewish culture that supports a Jewish nation state in territory defined as the Land of Israel. Zionism supports Jews upholding their Jewish identity and opposes the assimilation of Jews into other societies and has advocated the return of Jews to Israel
    In 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution that designated Zionism as “a form of racism and racial discrimination”.
    Readings of the founders of Zionism shows that they lived in the same Europe which spawned fascism and Naziism, and they adopted the anti-Jewish view that Jews did not belong in Europe as the core of their ideology
    EVEN RELIGIOUS JEWS RECOGNISE THIS! AND CONSIDER ZIONISM AS ANTI-JUDAIC
    Haredi rabbis do not consider Israel to be a halachic Jewish state because it is secular.Others reject any possibility of a Jewish state, since according to them a Jewish state is completely forbidden by Jewish law, and a Jewish state is considered an oxymoron
    Many other Hasidic groups, most famously the Satmar Hasidim as well as the larger movement they are part of in Jerusalem, the Edah HaChareidis, are strongly anti-Zionist. One of the best known Hasidic opponent of all forms of modern political Zionism was Hungarian rebbe and Talmudic scholar Joel Teitelbaum. In his view, the current State of Israel, which was founded by people that included some anti-religious personalities in seeming violation of the traditional notion that Jews should wait for the Jewish Messiah, is seen as contrary to Judaism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
    So if you are a religious person that believes in Abrahamic monotheism ,why do you support Zionism and modern Israel?
    As I said the Israel/Palestine situation is for Israellis and Palestinians to short out, I just do not want the rest of the world dragged down over this irrelevant issue!
    In general I find abrahamic monotheistic religious institutions are very negative forces on mankind BUT Belief is a personal thing that everyone has the right too, and as long as your personal actions are good IMHO the belief is irrelevant.
    I will get off my soap box and leave you to digest this information. I will welcome your response when it arrives , please take your time.I too am rather busy with work and family so replies may be delayed as well…and good luck with the writting.
    Mikey ,My best wishes to you and your loved ones , thank you for your time and effort in responding and thank you again for your patience and tolerance.
    A very happy Ishtar Easter Pass Over and have a great Beltane when it comes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltane
    May I leave you with some buddhist wisedom as a peace offering…and I will stop ranting now

    “Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.” [paraphrased Buddhist saying]

    and also desiderata
    http://www.businessballs.com/desideratapoem.htm

  15. Mikey says:

    HI Cuthulan, I will try to continue where i left off amigo?

    There is no disputing that history can be bent, rewritten or subject to the attempts of individuals or groups to completely remove certain information and history. However, Biblical writings & stories are from a Judeo religio-cultural perspective, being foremost a historical record of the Hebrew people, so it must be treated the same as any peoples history, whether written or oral. But, I cannot agree that despite the eschewed religious understandings of people and their attempts to accommodate one perspective of history or ideology above another; information or truth has a way of its own of persisting in some form and therefore a record for us to still discern, understand and explain things by. There was and still are individuals & groups that would seek to suppress knowledge, archaeology, history and truth to promote or protect some racial, political or religious agenda. Though for some folk to say such acts have been applied wholesale is hard to maintain. Yes & as an example, many people have ignored Nubian input into Egypt’s ancient past; an un-acknowledged prejudice in many cases restricted such information. The personal denial of archaeologists, historians and researchers towards these facts is evident in past history books & articles, some where in their small minds they actually thought the presence of a black man’s achievements in the history books would undermine European society, though a lie is was ultimately does so. And, whilst the west was culturally Christian over the past 1600 years or so, being truly Christian is another matter, we have heard people say before; “I am such & such, though I am not a practicing one.” So can we always call a duck a duck, no not always I think, there are wolfs in sheep’s clothing. I could also argue that much history or science is written today to diminish Judeo-Christian culture and knowledge, that it is anti-religious at its heart and not formed from a neutral point of research. I think both sides of the argument can equally fall victim to holding truth or evidence to ransom because of their racial, cultural, religious or ideological predispositions. Humans are human after all and all are capable of sabotaging history, whether purposely or mistakenly?

    I think we can pinpoint the period of time 1600-1200BC as a place to debate, people wrestle with sorting out the number of kings and viziers that existed. It is thought by some that the task is impossible; due to a lack of any continuous succession of rulers it is indeed chaotic? So, I will make some suggesting here for people to consider.
    It is evident from the archaeological record that a political vacuum was created in Egypt around this time, which may of contributed to such political and governmental chaos. Things got better it seem under Neferhotep I rule (13th Century) not that he was a good guy though? Though it is believed by some that he was in fact the Pharaoh of the Hebrew Exodus; I have too much information to bombard you with here so I will try and convey its stronger points. ‘Kahun’ is a site that was lived in by Jewish slaves, Semitic people that built the pyramids or the 12th Dynasty. Petrie, an archaeologist worked at the site and noted a large and sudden withdrawal from the area, the amount of evidence left behind was incredible and well intact, the city had been abandoned quickly. However the most startling finds were the large number of boxes containing children skeletons, none of them over the age of 3 months old, some with 2 or 3 in a box. These were found beneath the floors of houses. This may squarely relate to the plague of the first-born that was brought upon Egypt in Exodus 11.
    Now, if there were 2 million or so Jewish slaves, there should be a record of such, where a withdrawal of such a number should also be seen? And, we should be able to reference the damage done to Pharaoh and his army, those that followed after Moses & the now freed slaves into the red sea.
    Here’s an interesting piece of writing on a piece of papyrus (Ipuwer Papyrus – In the Leiden Museum -); “Nay, the heart is violent. Plague stalks through the land & blood everywhere. Does a man drink from it? As a human he rejects it. He thirsts for water….. Nay, but gates, columns & walls are consumed with fire…. Nay but men are few. He that lays his brother in the ground is everywhere. Nay but the son of the High born is no longer to be recognized… the stranger people from outside are come into Egypt….. Nay, but corn has perished everywhere. People are stripped of clothing, perfume, and oil. Everyone says, “There is no more.” The king has been taken away by poor men.” This bares a striking similarity to the biblical plagues that were brought upon Egypt and period of the Hebrew exodus and Pharaoh’s child’s death and his ultimate end; where his body or tomb has not been recovered thus far. Neferhotep sons name was Wahneferhotep, he never succeeded the throne, why? Neferhotep’s brother Sobkhotpe IV did, historians cannot offer reason for this at all? The biblical account of the firstborn dying through Egypt may explain this? After the accession of King Sobkhotpe the town of Avaris, 12 miles south of Tanis was controlled by the Hyskos, they could not of just marched into Egypt and subdued the land if a great time of tribulation had not of happened. Pharaoh and his army at the bottom of the red sea may explain the ease in which this rabble of Hyskos came in and conquered? You do not have to share faith to agree on archaeology, just reason, logic & enthusiasm.
    It is my belief that the Hyskos filled the vacuum that this history created, much of what is considered Hyskos history is supposition however, very slim pickings to verify much.
    Dr Down days; “There is much difference of opinion as to how long the Hyskos ruled Egypt. Josephus quoted Manetho as saying 511 years. Most archaeologists have allotted a time span of 150yrs, not on the basis of evidence, but simply to squeeze it into the time frame calculated from their computation of the shaky Sothic cycle.”
    Velikovsky & Courville identify the Hyskos as the Amelekites who attacked the Israelites as they were fleeing Egypt (exodus 17:8-11) 4 centuries later the Amelekites/Hyskos were annihilated by the Israelite King names Saul (1 SAM 15:7-8)

    Some Askenazi Jews have red hair; no problem, but this is most probably due to the introduction of European DNA into the gene pool? However, the bible does cite Esau as having red hair and being ruddy in complexion, he was prior to Moses and the Exodus and was the brother of Jacob from whom the Israelites are descended. However it was not uncommon for red heads to be found throughout the Mediterranean and the steppes, and as you also know Germanic tribes and Pictii ☺ Here’s a good passage from Wikipedia; well written: “Red-hair is found commonly amongst Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly due to the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries, or in the original founding of their communities in Europe, although both Esau and David are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red-hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red-hair were identified as Jewish. In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art. Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red-hair. The stereotype that red-hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.” – much better then how I put it?
    There is a problem with Zionist agenda’s and they do appear divisive in many ways, to put it mildly.

    I submit; that present scientific & historical research has enthusiastically sought to discourage and belittle any evidence or proof that would support or verify biblical accounts, that a rise in anti Judeo-Christian religion & culture motivates politics’, law & education and that the ignorance and manipulation of history and facts that religious people are historically charged with is in the same way being perpetrated by those that have accused them of such today! What goes around comes around I figure?

  16. cuthulan says:

    @mikey
    Thank you again mikey for your time and effort.Let me give a last reply…
    I cannot agree with a lot of you say in your reply.
    For example ,the majority of Europe has not been christian for 1600 years. Europe was forced into judeo-christianity starting about 800AD,with Charlemagne. These years are marked with genocide, disease ,witch burnings and a very low standard of living and reduced life expectancy.
    This finished when the church collapsed and was run out of town in the 14th century.
    This is when we see the renasiance, and it rejoices in pagan ideology. Things begin improving for Europeans again.This freedom was then crushed by the church again in the 15century until the 17century with the Inquistion.
    You say you could argue that science is anti-judeo-christian?!?! That is not true! Archeology today in Palestine is being spearheaded by many religious factions both Jewish and Christian and they have been digging in Palestine for centuries looking for PROOF of biblical stories. Its just they cannot find any, science and archeology does NOT support biblical dogma ,this is very different from being anti-religious!
    IN FACT it is religious people that are anti-scientific and anti-truth! These are the people that TODAY still destroy evidence that goes against thier religious dogma!This is all part of Abrahamic monotheisms brainwashed persecution mind set! The fake Roman persecution for christians and the fake Egyptain persecution for Judaism. It gives a payback/revenge mindset ,so you can justify your abhorrant behaviour, with god the avenger(Horus?) on your side.Because god knows what you are doing! 😉
    If you check my posts on Abrahamic monotheism you will see I try and use scholars from the culture I am investigating.Jewish scholars in Judaism , christian for christian bveliefs etc..Specifically people like
    Finkelstein, Israel, and Silberman, Neil Asher (2002).
    The Bible Unearthed : Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts
    Shlomo Sand, Professor of History at Tel Aviv University.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People
    These people could hardly be accused of being racially bias in thier findings!
    The truth is. the evidence says the bible is not true.As the bible also says the Earth is flat ,this should not came as a suprise.
    It seems every time a biblical story is checked out factually it ,we fail to find the evidence ,so the story changes again and now its another Pharoah. Please keep searching , but the fact that Solomons temple definately does NOT exist and Davids empire also did not exist,and there is no room for doubt or changing dates or kings on this one! It would suggest you are not going to find a semitic monotheistic culture worshipping Yhwh in ancient Egypt.
    It is biblical scholars that have an agenda NOT scientists that are just looking to see what actually happened according to scientific results!
    But looking at archeology and original texts, not the repeatedly edited biblical texts,we see a story that fits the facts.
    We know plagues visited Egypt , this was caused by the Santorini volcano exploding. We also see at this time the semitic Set worshipping Hyksos being run out of Egypt ,after these plagues and a seige. They chase the Hyksos all the way to Gaza!They cross the “Reed Sea” to do this!These are archeological facts. The similarities in Judaic rituals and Set worship rituals seem to confirm this story theologically as well.
    The Hyksos managed to take northern Egypt because they brought the latest technology from the Sumerian and the Hittites cultures, The chariot!

    Red hair a genetic giveaway.It is certainly NOT semitic!
    Red hair appears in people with two copies of a recessive gene on chromosome 16 which causes a mutation in the MC1R protein.To have redhair BOTH your parents have to pass on aboriginal European genes.It is a genetic marker for aboriginal Europeans, specifically aryans that survived the Ice Age in Europe.Estimates on the original occurrence of the currently active gene for red hair vary from 20,000 to 100,000 years ago.Though most agree its much closer to 20,000years. All the people that carry this gene descend from this sourse.
    Several accounts by Greek writers mention redheaded people. A fragment by the poet Xenophanes describes the Thracians as blue-eyed and red haired.
    Herodotus described the Budini people as being predominantly red haired. Dio Cassius described Boudica, Queen of the Iceni, to be “tall and terrifying in appearance… a great mass of red hair… over her shoulders.”
    The Roman historian Tacitus commented on the “red hair and large limbs of the inhabitants of Caledonia”, which he connected with some red haired Gaulish tribes of Germanic and Belgic relation.
    In Asia, red hair has been found among the ancient Tocharians, who occupied the Tarim Basin in what is now the northwesternmost province of China. Caucasian Tarim mummies have been found with red hair dating to the 2nd millennium BC
    This is confirmed by DNA science, unlike Jewishness!
    Redheads are common among Germanic and Celtic peoples.Redheads constitute approximately 4 percent of the European population. Scotland has the highest proportion of redheads; 13 per cent of the population has red hair and approximately 40 per cent carries the recessive redhead gene.Ireland has the second highest percentage; as many as 10 per cent of the Irish population has red, auburn, or strawberry blond hair.
    If you have redhair you are not semitic!
    The fact that redheads led the ancient hebrews shows that they had an aryan ,Set worshipping ,ruling caste.This is not unusual for this age and certainly would be expected of Set worshippers.So here we have genetic proof of Judaism in later times being a converting religion, as if we needed more evidence,whole nations converted at one point, for political not religious reasons!
    Red heads have constantly been vilified or deified by the general populations they lived in.

    Mikey I find your last paragraph a bit paranoid/delusional. You seem to think Science and anti-religious people are out to get you! Certainly not ,in fact historically and still today its the other way round! Religious zionists will get people fired if they prove biblical dogma is false! Scientists are not destroying evidence and getting theologans removed from thier offices!!Zionist are!! The inquistion is alive and well!
    Its just there is no scientific evidence of biblical stories.
    I cannot say you have managed to dispute that modern Israellis are the invented people , BOTH genetically because you cannot check for Jewish DNA ,you can check for Palestinian,therefore there are NO Jewish people as a race, this is an invented concept! They are just people that hold the same belief , like being a Freemason,or believeing that god is an alien.
    Judaism as a belief there is NO evidence for!! NO solomons temple ,NO Herods temple, NO kingdom of David , NO exodus!
    You can juggle Egyptian dates all you like ,it will never make the temple of Solomon or Davids empire appear! This is REALITY!
    Meanwhile we are tripping over giant pagan temples all over the place! With the latest finding in Goebik Tepi which go back to 11,000BC. This now makes it quite possible that the Sphinx for example ,was indeed built in 10,500BC and pointing at the vernal equinox for Leo because that was where the sun was in 10,500BC!!
    Truth is much stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense!
    Sorry but I still say Israellis are the invented people both genetically speaking and theologically speaking and Palestinians are very REAL and very SEMITIC!
    BUT you have also avoided answering what you think has been beneficial about Abrahamic monotheism for humanity? In any of its forms?
    Also why you support Zionism? Which goes against religious Judaism and your old testament!
    But thanks again for your time and effort.

    • Mikey says:

      Some good stuff to read and consider, I disagree with most of it of course – hehehee! I don’t think I have mentioned anything that supports Zionism, this is an ideological push that does not serve Jewish people nor anyone else, fanatical people to say the least, i don’t agree with it at all!!!! I understand many of the points you raise, though you will notice I said “culturally christian”, much like when Christianity rose to prominence in Rome, so it has persisted, people holding onto a form or appearance of Christianity but denying its true worth within an individuals life, therefore holding to ransom the essence of true religion; that being to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (James 1:27) It’s not about heirachy, buildings and wealth, the Gospels true power has been denied by those that even claim to profess it. The manner in which many so-called Christians (i.e Constantine, Charlemagne, any number of Kings and queens etc) have road rough shot over nations, societies and peoples is not a relfection of true christianity nor its intent, but of mankinds lust for power, wealth and control and their willingness to use such socio-religious tools for their political and iological or social aims! That any person can use any form of religion or political ideology to do like wise! Many republicans in American fall into this catergory and in their narrow grasp of who God is infact is, use God before a largely undiscerning electorate to garner cheap points for political election! I’ve heard people say many times that they are a non-practicing this or that, even Dawkins cals himself a cultural Anglican, whilst using the title of Agnostic, but proporting to Atheism in writing and interveiws because it raises and eyebrow of attention better then agnostic. people do not always say what they mean nor live what they supposedly believe, whilst we try our best to understand these historical and contemporary characters and at times miss the truth of those periods altogether; sometimes because of our own predisposed atitudes towards a topic, some time we can not see the forest for the trees and command an answer of our own before we hear the question? the Bible says that in the last days that only a remnant of believers will exist; infact it also says in 2 Timothy 4:3; “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” Now I know u don’t have two cents worth of crediblity to address the bible with, though it will be my reference throughout our discussions at times, so indulge me, I am trying to give u a Christian perspective of christianity and my take on some historical issues you raise. but what I am trying to communicate here is that just becuase it quacks like a duck doesn’t mean it is a duck, that people will usurp, malign and use religion for selfish gain and tarnish the name of christianity in the process, this is problmatic within each era, that some christians in their zeal, like all people are not exempt from error or fault, mistake or sin, that people the world ove are subject to the same passions, pain and hurt, crimes and horro as the next men or woman, environment, opportunity, lives many foul experiences and family, society can breed or give way for any one to do the same unto others, no one own anythin more then another and to claim such id not a true summation of history or life! HIstory needs to be revaluated, corrected, even re-written in some cases, but then again, whose life doesn’t?

  17. cuthulan says:

    Hi Mikey
    its seems there is just no convincing some people.
    Sorry but I cannot follow a belief that is proven false by our very senses.IMHO A false belief cannot be a good belief.People that hide and destroy the truth cannot be good! Therefore abrahamic monotheism cannot be good.
    Its very REAL actions on Earth support the evil ideology theory.
    You talk about people not being true to christian values. BUT YOU are not true to christian values either.
    You DO support zionism. The whole aim of zionism is to create Israel as a Jewish state.A racially organised military state,a colonisation!
    This actually goes against judeo-christian beliefs. The Jews are supposed to gather in Israel AFTER the messiah has appeared!
    As I have proven beyond any doubt that the modern Jewish person has virtually no relationship to the ancient hebrews, it means the “holy land” is filling up with “false Jews”.
    So are you worshipping at the synagogue of satan?
    Concidering you say “I do not have 2 cents worth of credibility to address the bible with” .It seems you do not even believe your own religious writtings.Or do you just ignore the bits you don’t like? Sorry but the bibles credibility went a long time ago! Roughly about the time we figured out the Earth is not FLAT! as the bible claims.

    When you talk about “culturally christian” in the Roman Empire ,do you mean the sun worshippers that Constantine ment or the messianic judaism that was in the Levant!?
    The judeo-christains where never persecuted in the Roman Empire as they did not exist.Messianic judaism was still a small sect/cult of Judaism and even rebellious Jews where not persecuted as the bible would claim. Constantine was a monotheistic sun worshipper, and after the Council of Niceae we see Constantine still stamping the Roman coins with Sol Invitus symbolism ,NO Christian symbolism and no cross! btw the fish symbol also was used by monotheistic SUN worshippers.It represents the sign of Pisces ,as the sun had just entered this zodiac sign. It was the dawnig of a new age, its symbol the Fish!

    I really do think YOU are deluding yourself. The evidence is beyond doubt. You can interperet ancient papyrus but that,like the bible is just conjecture ,a sign post ,to show where REAL evidence might be.Children not surviving childhood was very common , even until recent times.Also another possiblity is child sacrifice, it would not be the first such find.But if this is the only and best evidence you have its not much to base a genocide on.You talk of revising history, YES, good idea. History as we know it ,has been twisted by those who desire power ,abrahamic monotheism is very guilty of distorting history!We need to use the tools of science to set history straight again!
    You have to face the facts mikey. There never was a temple of Solomon or a kingdom of David.There is no evidence of Israelites in Egypt or monotheistic ywhw beliefs. No amount of date juggling will change this.

    Spiritual people through the ages have been devout followers of countless gods you are just the latest.As far as I see you are a very spiritual person who has been stamped with christian monotheistic beliefs.You already display the persecution complex, and you apologise for middle eastern genocide because of this delusional paranoic belief.Slaughtering more innocents while claiming YOU are being persecuted?!?!!?
    If you looked at REAL history you would see the abrahamic monotheists where the fanatical persecuters butchering non-believers!They still are today! If you where born in Arabia you would be a fanatical Islamist ,and if you where born in New York/Tel Aviv you would be a fanatical Jewish zionist!
    You have acceptted your programming well,Facts would not distract you!
    All the best mikey and try not to kill us all with this belief.

    • cuthulan says:

      @Mikey
      Please compare the VERY REAL EVIDENCE of the History of the Celtic people ,as can be found here…
      https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-history-of-the-celtic-people/
      It shows a culture and people that can be traced by DNA and archeology that was building massive temples and castles that can still be found today and that baffle modern scientists on thier construction.
      Thier beliefs can be traced back 18,000 years
      https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/druidism-was-it-western-hinduism-18000-years-old/
      Now that makes judaism seem like a new age belief! It also shows that judaism is a myth ,a fable AN INVENTION AND A DELUSIONA:L BELIEF!
      The belief itself is not even as old as it claims to be and the people that follow it are not the descendants of the myths ,as DNA clearly shows.
      The abrahamic monothestic inquisition is still alive and well and is still book burning and witch hunting those that expose THIER LIES!
      Abrahamic monotheism has made humanity forget its TRUELLY ANCIENT PAST!!
      Those that continue to support this ideology are just apologists for genocide and purvayors of ignorance!

      As for Zionism….its a very newly invented belief .Its just inefficient Nazism without a foreskin!
      https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/zionism-modern-nazism/
      Einstein compares the creators of Israel to Nazis and fascists and terrorists. Einstein then supportted Birobidjhan the secualr Jewish homeland!

  18. Gunawan Harjono pikat to says:

    Centuries source problem,Why abrahamic religion until now,did not delete,just 1 word :”infidel”, from their “Holy”books?

    • cuthulan says:

      That would certainly help.
      it would be a start at least…..but the whole abrahamic monotheistic con is false from beginning to end.
      it would be better just to let it die…it is already rotting in front of us.
      BUT there are still those abrahamic monotheists that know its false but use its institutions to impose thier will and cover thier evil deeds
      and there are those that know nothing else than abrahamivcmonotheism and just apologise for atrocities and blame non-believers and satan ,because they are so brainwashed with abrahamic monotheism that they cannot believe that thier actions and beliefs are the cause of these atrocities
      This type of abrahamic monotheist sits like the 3 monkeys that hear no evil ,see no evil and speak no evil.
      because they have thier hands over thier eyes ,ears and mouths

      Thanks for the input and I hope you have a restful sunday 🙂

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