A Conversation With A Zionist

HERE IS A COMMENTRY BETWEEN A ZIONIST AND MYSELF
I THOUGHT ORIGINALY WE HAD AN OPEN MINDED HUMANE BEING WHO WAS CUTURALLY JEWISH
UNFORTUNATELY IT TURNED OUT TO BE A ZIONIST RACE SUPREMECIST AND AN APOLOGIST FOR GENOCIDE
IT WAS RECENTLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT HE THEN DELETED HALF MY COMMENTS AND ALL OF MY LINKS ON HIS POST
SO HERE IS THE DISCOURSE REPOSTED IN BRIEF
http://moshesharon.wordpress.com/2011/05/01/the-religion-distinction-g-d-is-not-a-religion/

GOD IS NOT A RELIGION
RELIGION IS A DELSUIONAL BELIEF, AT BEST,ITS A SIMPLISTIC HUMAN MODEL THAT REFLECTS THE WORLD AROUND HIM OR HER
GOD IS A SIDE EFFECT OF RELIGION ,
IT IS MANS ATTEMPT TO BARGIN APPEASE OR INFLUENCE THE WORLD AROUND HIM
FROM SNAKE GODS TO MESOPOTAMIAN AND EGYPTIAN GODS TO THE GREECO-ROMAN GODS TO THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC GOD OF TODAY
ALL JUST TEMPORARY ILLUSIONS OF A DELUSIONAL BELIEF
GOD CHANGES WITH HUMAN UNDERSTANDING OF THE UNIVERSE
THEREFORE GOD IS AN INVENTION OF MAN

BUT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS NOT LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM DID NOT NATURALLY EVOLVE FROM SOCIETY AND CULTURE AS DID OTHER OLDER BELIEFS
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS AN INVENTED BELIEF SYSTEM
IT IS A “NEW AGE” BELIEF ,AND THAT AGE IS “THE AGE OF PICSES”
WE KNOW THE MAN THE MOTIVE AND THE OPPERTUNITY IN ALL 3 FORMS OF ABRHAMIC MONOTHEISM
INVENTED BY EMPERORS
IT IS ORIGINAL FASCISM
ONE GOD ,ONE EMPIRE ,ONE EMPEROR
IT IS RE-WRITTEN PAGANISM
IT WAS FORCED ONTO UNWILLING POPULATIONS BY THREATS OF DEATH AND TORTURE AND SLAVERY
THE FIRST VERSION OF ORIGINAL FASCISM WAS JUDAISM
INVENTED BY CYRUS THE GREAT ,HE MADE HIMSELF THE JEWISH MESSIAH, WHILE BABYLONIAN ZOROASTRIAN SCRIBES WROTE YOUR BOOKS
MAKING A ZOROASTRIAN MONOTHEISTIC GOD FROM A POLYTHEISTIC FERTILITY CULT
HE WAS MAKING A BUFFER STATE IN THE LEVANT FOR HIS PERSIAN EMPIRE
THIS IS SCIENTIFIC FACT
BUT TRY AND PUBLISH THIS FACT AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR JOB!!

THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC INQUISTITION IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL ,WITCH HUNTING AND BURNING BOOKS
A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
Arnaiz-Villena has been sacked from the journal’s editorial board.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/25/medicalscience.genetics

FYI THEOLOGY WITHOUT FACT = FANTASY
MOSHE,ARE YOU A FANTASIST?

BUT EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW ABRHAMIC MONOTHEISM IN ALL ITS FORMS ,IS A FALSE BELIEF ,THIS DOES NOT RULE OUT SPIRITUALITY AS A VALID SUBJECT
WE JUST HAVE TO MOVE ON FROM ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM AND ITS LIES AND BAGGAGE

DEISM
Deism is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of God, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge.Deism gained prominence in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment—especially in Britain, France, Germany and America—among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and could not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
DEISM IS AN OLD BELIEF
IT BORDERS ON ATHIEISM , ANOTHER ANCIENT BELIEF SYSTEM
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/atheism-the-oldest-most-popular-diverse-and-beneficial-belief-in-the-world/
IT ALSO REQUIRES YOU REJECT YOUR ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC MYSTICAL AND DELUSIONAL BAGGAGE
..BUT FOR JEWISH ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS THIS IS PARTICULARLY HARD ,AS RECENT RELIGIOUS BAGGAGE MAKES UP MOST OF YOUR CULTURE
WOULD THERE EVEN BE A “JEWISH” PEOPLE AFTER ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISMS DAY HAS PASSED?

THERE IS NOTHING NEW IN JUDAISM
IT IS JUST RE-WRITTEN PAGANISM
CYRUS THE GREATS ORIGINAL FASCISM
BASED ON MONOTHEISTIC ZOROASTRIANISM AND THE STORIES OF A POLYTHEISTIC SEMITIC FERTILITY CULT
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-judaism/

WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THINK IS SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS RECENT JUDAIC BELIEF SYSTEM
MONOTHEISTIC BELIEFS PRE-DATE JUDAISM
WHAT BENEFITS HAS MONOTHEISM OR JUDAISM BROUGHT TO HUMANITY?

Moshe: I’m not offended. I’ve been dealing with people like you my whole life. Whining about how the evil Jews are ruining the world and blaming us for your failures in life.
YOU ARE PARANOID AND DELUSIONAL IF YOU THINK I BLAME THE JEWS FOR THE WORLDS EVIL
MIGHT AS WELL BLAME SINGLE MOTHERS OR THE UNEMPLOYED
I AM POINTING OUT THE JEWS ARE JUST LIKE THE REST OF US
IT IS ZIONIST THAT ARE RACE SUPREMECISTS JUST LIKE GERMANS ARE NOT EVIL BUT NAZIS ARE.
BUT MOSHE ,YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND PARANOIC AND BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET YOU!
AN OBVIOUS SIDE-EFFECT OF YOUR BELIEF IN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM ,JUDAIC VERSION
ALSO YOU BELIEVE IN PROPAGANDA MYTHS AND YOUR MISGUIDED BELIEF IN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS MAKING YOU BEHAVE LIKE AN ANIMAL…..
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS JUST ORIGINAL FASCISM AND AN INVENTED BELIEF SYSTEM
I GIVE PLENTY OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS
WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?

Moshe: I asked you to quote your sources with a citation of published scholarly work. So far you have not done that. So far you demonstrate total ignorance of Jewish culture by what you have posted.
YES I DID GIVE MY REFERENCES .ITS YOU THAT DID NOT GIVE ANY!
YOU JUST CHOSE TO NOT READ MY REFERENCES
HERE IS ANOTHER LIST
GET SOME ONE YOU KNOW AND TRUST TO READ THIS TO YOU SLOWLY AND PHONETICALLY THIS TIME AS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH COMPREHENSION
a study of the historiography of the Jewish people by Shlomo Sand, Professor of History at Tel Aviv University.
Grimal, Nicolas. A History of Ancient Egypt. Librairie Arthéme Fayard, 1988. ISBN 90-04-12989-8.
Quarry Inauguration, accessed July 28, 2006.http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/quarry_inauguration.h
H. te Velde, Seth, God of Confusion: A Study of His Role in Egyptian Mythology and Religion, Probleme der Ägyptologie, 6, G. E. van Baaren-Pape, transl. (W. Helck. Leiden: Brill 1967
“Of God and Gods”, Jan Assmann, p47-48, University of Wisconsin Press, 2008, ISBN 0-299-22550-X
Langmead, Donald; Garnaut, Christine (2001). Encyclopedia of architectural and engineering feats (3rd, illustrated ed.). ABC-CLIO. ISBN 157607112X, 9781576071120. http://books.google.com/?id=T5J6GKvGbmMC&pg=PA314&dq=%22solomon%27s+temple%22#v=onepage&q=%22solomon%27s%20temple%22&f=false.
Handy, Lowell (1997). The age of Solomon: scholarship at the turn of the millennium. Brill. pp. 493–494. ISBN 978-9004104761. http://books.google.com/?id=gam10TAOZusC&pg=PA494&dq=temple+of+solomon+non-biblical++contemporary#v=onepage&q&f=false.
Finkelstein, Israel, and Silberman, Neil Asher (2002). The Bible Unearthed : Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts. Simon & Schuster. pp. 128–129. ISBN 0-684-86912-8.
Roland De Vaux (tr. John McHugh), Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (NY, McGraw-Hill, 1961).
B.S.J. Isserlin, The Israelites,
Jewish Encyclopedia,
BTW THEOLOGY IS NOT REALITY!!!
WE CAN CHECK THEOLOGY’S REALITY WITH ARCHEOLOGY AND DNA ETC….
WE PUT RAPISTS AND MURDERS TO DEATH WITH THIS PHYSICAL AND DNA EVIDENCE ,EVEN WHEN THEY DENY THE CHARGES, JUST LIKE YOU ARE DOING MOSHE.
THIS IS HOW WE KNOW ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS JUST ORIGINAL FASCISM INVENTED BY CYRUS THE GREAT
THE ORIGINAL “HEBREWS” WHERE POLYTHEISTIC SET/BAAL WORSHIPPERS…A MALE FERTILITY CULT
PLEASE SHOW ME YOUR SOURSES THAT DISPROVE THIS EVIDENCE AND SUPPORT YOUR THEORY
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-judaism/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

Moshe: This is a perfect example of your ignorance of Judaism. We don’t feel more worthy than anyone. In our community, humility is prized as the greatest positive human quality. Our liturgy contains the Divine statement: “My house shall be a House of prayer for all the nations.”
YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR CULTURAL SURPEMECIST BELIEFS AGAIN ,OF COURSE YOU ARE ALL KNOWN FOR YOUR HUMILITY!?!?!?
“Gentiles need to die….goyim have no place in the world.”
The immensely popular Likudist Rabbi, when not calling for the slaughter of Palestinians or advocating the destruction of Christianity, offers recipes, marriage tips and lots of advice on how Jews can rule the world as the new “master race.”
Saturday’s broadcast by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef was punctuated with continual laughter, riotous at times, from an audience clearly enjoying his message:
“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world, only to serve the people of Israel…Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap.
We will sit like effendi and eat!”
“With gentiles it will be like any person, they need to die but G-d will give them longevity.
Why?
Imagine that one’s donkey would die. They would lose profit. Their donkey is their servant
The goyim is like a donkey to the Jews, they exist only to serve and are only allowed by G’d to live a long life because they are the beast of burden the Jews. Were the goyim to stop serving Jews, g-d would end their lives”
Leader of the Israeli Sephardic community, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef  is the spiritual head of the Shas Party, a member of the Likud coalition, which won 11 seats in the recent election and supports Prime Minister Netanyahu.
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/israel-the-fourth-reich/

..AND YOU MOSHE ,ARE COMPLETELY IGNORANCT OF REAL JEWISH HISTORY
YOU BELIEVE JEWISH MYTHS AND PROPAGANDA
RECENTLY INVENTED JEWISH MYTHS AND PROPAGANDA
EASILY PROVABLE FALSEHOODS USING ARCHEOLOGY AND DNA
YOU BELIEVE IN A SANTA CLAUS FOR HEBREWS AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE REAL WORLD AND REAL HISTORY
YOU ARE SCARED AND IGNORANT
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS DESIGNED TO DO, KEEP THE MASSES SCARED AND IGNORANT
IT THE BELIEF OF SLAVES
BUT THIS IS THE SAME FOR MOST CELTS, SAXONS ,ARABS ,PERSIANS ETC. IN FACT ALL CULTURES THAT HAVE BEEN INFECTED WITH ORIGINAL FASCISM AKA ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM(JUDAISM ,CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM) THEY ALL ARE IGNORANT OF THIER REAL HISTORY AND JUST REPEAT EASILY PROVABLE FALSEHOODS AS CULTURAL HISTORY

Moshe-The native American tribes are actually a highly sophisticated spiritual people deserving of great respect. Their core belief systems are monotheistic because they believe in a “Great Spirit” that is beyond nature and in control of all things. Jews actually have a lot in common with them even if few people are aware of this. The only religious fascism demonstrated here is your anti-religion rhetoric.
IF YOU TRUELLY UNDERSTOOD NATIVE AMERICAN BELIEFS AND ANCIENT PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN BELIEFS YOU WOULD NOT BE MAKING SUCH NONSENSE STATEMENTS ABOUT JUDAISM AND NATIVE AMERICAN BELIEFS
YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL IGNORANCE AGAIN
NATIVE AMERICAN BELIEFS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN RELIGION
THIS ANCIENT BELIEF SYSTEM IS WHERE JUDAISM RIPPED OFF MOST OF ITS ICONS AND BELIEFS
FOR EXAMPLE THE JEWISH CANDLESTICK IS TAKEN FROM THE TREE OF LIFE
THE GREAT SPIRIT IS THE NETER NETERU OR THE SUPREME BEING, WHICH FOR EGYPTIAN SET WORSHIPPERS WAS “AMEN”
CHECK THIS, HERE IS SOME REAL RELIGIOUS AND CULTURAL HISTORY FOR YOU
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/scottish-highland-clans-and-native-american-tribes-the-ancient-historical-and-modern-links/

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/druidism-was-it-western-hinduism-18000-years-old/

Moshe: That’s a serious accusation to say the Jews where just as responsible for Jewish deaths as the Nazis. That is classic antisemitic garbage that comes from those who hate Jews with a passion. Yet you tell me that you mean no offense, but you continue with making offensive remarks. That’s very interesting.
ZIONIST JEWS DID FIGHT FOR THE NAZIS
THIS IS A FACT AND NOT ANTI-SEMITIC
(WHATEVER ANTI-SEMETISM MEANS. BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SEMITIC ,PALESTINIANS ARE!!)
BUT THE FACT THAT YOU KEEP DENYING THIS FACT AND KEEP CLAIMING THAT I AM AN ANTI-SEMITE ,WHEN YOU ARE NOT SEMITIC , NOW THAT’S VERY INTERESTING….
In 1940, Lehi proposed intervening in World War II on the side of Nazi Germany. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik was sent to Beirut where he met the German official Werner Otto von Hentig. Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.
the organization offered cooperation in the following terms: full cooperation in sabotage, espionage and intelligence and up to wide military operations in the Middle East and in eastern Europe anywhere where the Irgun had Jewish cells, active and trained and in some places with weapons. From the German side, the following declarations and actions were demanded: (1) Full recognition of an independent Jewish state in Palestine/Eretz Israel (2) That the ability to emigrate to Palestine be conceded to all Jews, with no restriction of numbers, who, in leaving their homes in Europe, by their own will or because of government injunctions.
On January 11, 1941 a letter by Lehi, which would be later referred to as the Ankara document, was sent from Vice Admiral Ralf von der Marwitz, the German Naval attaché in Ankara, depicting an offer to “actively take part in the war on Germany’s side” in return for German support for “the establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich.”
The letter was signed by Avraham Stern and the later Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir.

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/zionism-modern-nazism/
JUDAIC BELIEFS ARE IN FACT INSULTING TO ALL NON-JEWS ,BUT OF COURSE THAT IS NOTHING PERSONAL ITS JUST GOD?!?!
APPARENTLY GOD IS JUST LIKE THAT,…. ACCORDING TO ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS
FYI BIG CLAIMS NEED BIG EVIDENCE
WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE MOSHE?
OTHERWISE YOU ARE SPOUTING OFFENSIVE DELUSIONAL RASCIST NONSENSE

FYI YOU ARE NOT SEMITIC ,PALESTINIANS ARE
CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY ANTI-SEMITISM ,WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE WITH AN IRRATIONAL HATRED OF SEMITES
CALLING PEOPLE ANTI-SEMITIC WHEN THEY SUPPORT PALESTINIAN LANDS RIGHTS ,IS JUST LAUGHABLE NONSENSE, BUT IS PAR FOR THE COURSE .WHEN IT COMES TO JUDAIC ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM AND ITS DEFENDERS
MOSHE ,GET YOUR DNA CHECKED YOU ARE NOT SEMITIC!!!
YOU ARE DELUSIONAL IF YOU KEEP DEMANDING THAT YOU ARE!!!
ITS LIKE ALI-G SAYING “COS ITS ,I IS BLACK”
FACT
ALI-G IS NOT BLACK
MOSHE IS NOT SEMITIC

http://www.alanhart.net/my-last-post-final-thoughts-on-zionisms-success-and-arab-failure/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlanHart+%28AlanHart+%28Recent+Posts%29%29

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/israellis-are-the-invented-people-and-anti-semitic/

Moshe: Your remarks are asinine. It seems that the only one who can’t get over the Holocaust is you. What exactly did your family “get over?” The only one misrepresenting the Holocaust is you. How does one monopolize the Holocaust? As I said, the surviving members of every ethnicity that fell victim to ethnic cleansing has the absolute right to publicize their victimization and take steps to preemptively strike against any countries that are attempts to repeat history.
MOSHE I GREW UP WITH SURVIVORS OF JAPANESE POW CAMPS!!
THEY WHERE MUCH MORE DEADLY THAN GERMAN POW CAMPS
OR DO YOU DENY THIS REALITY AS WELL?
BUT I DO NOT WHINE ABOUT IT OR BUILD THEME PARK MUSEUMS TO THESE ATTROCITIES
TODAY I WORK WITH GERMANS AND JAPANESE AND COUNT BOTH AMOUNGST MY FRIENDS
I DO NOT LIVE IN AN IMAGINED PAST NOR DO I LET THE ATROCITIES OF PEOPLE NOW LONG DEAD AFFECT ME TODAY
YOU DO!
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOLOCAUSTS AND PERSECUTIONS , LETS TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE CELTIC PEOPLE OR THE HISTORY OF THE NATIVE AMERICANS OR CHINESE SUFFERING AT THE HANDS OF THE JAPANESE?
ALL VERY REAL CULTURES AND RACES THAT SUFFERED MUCH WORSE THAN THE RECENTLY INVENTED JEWISH CULTURE!!
GET OVER IT!!
LEARN FROM THE PAST ,DO NOT LIVE IN IT!!
IF YOU LIVE IN THE PAST YOU HAVE NO FUTURE
TO LIVE CONSTANTLY IN THIS SHADOW IT IS VERY UNHEALTHY FOR YOUR MENTAL STATE

Moshe: example, when the leader of Iran states that his country is planning to cleanse Israel of all Jews we have the absolute right and the obligation to take whatever action is necessary to prevent that.
THIS IRAN STATEMENT IS A MISQUOTE YOU ARE REPEATING
PLEASE GIVE YOUR SOURSE FOR THIS
ACTUALLY IT WAS A REFERENCE TO THE ZIONIST REGIME IN ISRAEL
NO DIFFERENT FROM THE APARTIEDE REGIME BEING CLEANSED FROM SOUTH AFRICA OR THE NAZI REGIME FROM GERMANY OR THE COMMUNIST REGIME IN RUSSIA
I WANT THE BRITISH REGIME CLEANSED FROM THE BRITISH ISLES
BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE EXTERMINATION OF JEWS ,ARABS, WHITE SOUTH AFRICANS ,GERMANS ,RUSSIANS OR SAXON ENGLISH
…ITS JUST THE END OF A FAILED IDEOLOGY NOT A GENOCIDE OF HUMAN BEINGS
BUT IT SEEMS YOU PREFER THE DELUSIONAL IDEOLOGY AND APOLOGISE FOR GENOCIDE

Moshe: The Jewish are here to stay for ever. Get use to it. We are not about vengeance, we are about protecting ourselves and taking out the murdering reprobates who want to kill us.
THIS IS FOAMING AT THE MOUTH DELUSIONAL HATE SPEACH
NOTHING MORE
FYI THERE IS NO SUCH THING GENETICALLY AS A “JEW”
ITS JUST A DELSUIONAL BELIEF WITH LITTLE OF NO EVIDENCE , LIKE “GODS AN ALIEN” OR CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM (WOULD YOU CALL THESE PEOPLE “RACES”?)
MIGHT AS WELL CALL THE “FREEMASONS” A PERSECUTED RACE

Moshe: Jews have been around for 3,500 years with exactly the same beliefs. The only atrocities that we have experienced as a people are the ones committed against us.
COMPLETE RUBBISH!!
IF THIS WAS TRUE ,YOUR DNA WOULD PROVE IT! YOUR DNA PROVES THIS STATEMENT IS A  LIE!
THIS IS DELUSIONAL NONSENSE
WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS OUTRAGOUS STATEMENT?
FYI NAZIS BELIEVED WHITE GERMANIC ARYANS BROUGHT ADVANCED CIVILISATION TO MANKIND
BUT WE KNOW FROM ARCHEOLOGY AND DNA ,ARYANS ORIGINATED FROM INDIA AND WHERE OLIVE SKINNED AND BROUGHT THIER CULTURE WITH THEM
WE KNOW FROM ARCHEOLOGY THAT THE HEBREWS IN EGYPT WHERE POLYTHESTIC FERTILITY CULT WORSHIPPERS, THEY WORSHIPPED THE EGYPTIAN GOD SET
WE KNOW FROM ARCHEOLOGY IN CANNAN THE HEBREWS WHERE STILL POLYTHEISTIC AND WORSHIPPED EL/BAAL ,ANOTHER “HORNED” FERTILITY GOD
WE KNOW FROM DNA YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THESE PEOPLE
THIS IS REALITY AS SCIENCE PROVES
YOUR BELIEFS ARE MORE DELUSIONAL THAN THE NAZIS

FYI  JEWISH PERSECUTIONS?!
EUROPEANS TURNED AGAINST THE JEWISH POPULATIONS ,AS JEWS WHERE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING AND SELLING EUROPEANS TO ISLAMIC SLAVE MARKETS
The Radhanites (also Radanites, Hebrew sing. רדהני Radhani, pl. רדהנים Radhanim; Arabic الرذنية ar-Raðaniyya) were medieval Jewish merchants.The Muslim powers of Iberia both raided for slaves and purchased slaves from European merchants, often the Jewish Radhanites, one of the few groups that could easily move between the Christian and Islamic worlds.
IT IS THANKS TO ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM (JEWS AND MUSLIMS AND BYZANTINE CHRISTIANS) THAT WE GET THE WORD SLAVE
IT MEANS SLAV
WHITE INDIGENOUS PAGAN EUROPEANS
THE USUAL RACE OF PEOPLE THAT WHERE SOLD IN SLAV MARKETS
…BUT OF COARSE YOU CLAIM THE JEWS DO NO WRONG AND ITS ALWAYS THE ANTI-SEMITIC EUROPEANS THAT PERSECUTE JEWS FOR NO REAL REASON
IMHO A VERY RACIST STATEMENT

LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SLAVE TRADE

Moshe: And don’t bother me with any nonsense about so called “atrocities” against the “Palestinians.” Anyone who isn’t brain dead knows the truth about Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.
…AND DON’T BOTHER ABOUT PALESTINAIN ATTROCTIES!?!?!
WHAT SORT OF MONSTER ARE YOU?
DELUSIONAL IDEOLOGY , APOLOGIST FOR GENOCIDE?!
THE NAZIS WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU

Moshe: I am not aware of any recognized national identity called “Palestinians.” Perhaps you could enlighten us with their national history prior to 1967?
YES MY GRANDFATHER PATROLLED DURING THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE

Palestine1864

Palestine1864

NOT THE MANDATE OF ISRAEL
THERE WHERE MANY ARABS LIVING THERE ,THEY WOULD BE CALLED PALESTINIANS
THEY WOULD BE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE ANCIENT ROMAN PROVINCE OF PALAESTINA
CHECK THIER DNA FOR PROOF OF THIS…..AND THEN CHECK YOURS …YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH THESE PEOPLE OR THIER LAND
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEFS
IF THERE ARE LAND RIGHTS ISSUES THEN ITS FOR LAWYERS TO SORT OUT ,NOT ARMIES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Palestine
THESE ARAB PALESTINIANS COMPLAINED ABOUT ZIONIST IMMIGRATION FREQUENTLY!!!

The beginning of the Arab Revolt of 1936-39

The beginning of the Arab Revolt of 1936-39

Jaffa, Palestine: The beginning of the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. British riot police clash with Palestinian demonstrators protesting Britain’s pro-Zionist policies (specifically increasing Zionist immigration into Palestine), Central Square, Jaffa, 12 June 1936. (via Walid Khalidi, Before Their Diaspora).
WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS GOING ON IN PALESTINE?
PLEASE GIVE YOUR EVIDENCE
….AND “GODS REAL ESTATE DEAL” DOES NOT COUNT, AS ITS INVENTED DELUSIONAL CLAPTRAP!
FYI
DNA CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE PALESTINIANS ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE LEVANT 2,000 YEARS AGO!
NOT YOU!!

http://www.alanhart.net/my-last-post-final-thoughts-on-zionisms-success-and-arab-failure/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlanHart+%28AlanHart+%28Recent+Posts%29%29

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/israellis-are-the-invented-people-and-anti-semitic/

Moshe: More antisemitic rubbish. There never was any such thing as “Jewish terrorists.” More antisemitic blood libel.
?!?!!?
NO SUCH THING AS JEWISH TERRORISTS….LOL
YOU INSULT ME WITH YOUR “RACIST” IGNORANCE!!
JEWISH TERRORISTS ATTEMPTED AND FAILED TO KILL MY GRANDFATHER DURING THE MANDATE OF PALESTINE
MY GRANDFATHER HAD JUST RISKED HIS LIFE SAVING THESE PEOPLE FROM NAZI GERMANY!!
BUT THESE ZIONIST JEWS ALSO FOUGHT FOR NAZI GERMANY
THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WOULD BECOME THE PRIME MINISTERS OF ISRAEL
MENECHEN BEGIN
It has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century (Rapoport 2004, pp. 50-51). A book on political terrorism published in 2006 theorises that it provided a model for bombings in the 1980s. In relation to the historical significance of the way the Irgun fought, Begin himself said: “We actually provided the example of what the urban guerrilla is, we created the method of the urban guerrilla.”
NEVER HEARD OF THE KING DAVID HOTEL BOMBING?
ZIONIST JEWS ALSO INVENTED TRUCK BOMBING

Jaffa Palestine The ruins of the Grand Serai

Jaffa Palestine The ruins of the Grand Serai

Jaffa, Palestine: The ruins of the Grand Serai (local govt offices, see the first photo in this post). A truck loaded with explosives covered with oranges was parked outside the entrance on 4 January 1948 by members of the Zionist militant organization, Lohemai Herut Israel (the Stern Gang). The resulting explosion destroyed the building and killed 26 Palestinian civilians. (via Walid Khalidi, Before Their Diaspora)
…OR IS THIS JUST MORE ANTI-SEMITIC BLOOD LIBEL?…….MIGHT I REMIND YOU YOUR BLOOD IS NOT SEMITIC!!
OR COULD IT JUST BE ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR DELUSIONAL BELIEFS,MOSHE?

Moshe: I don’t really know first hand I wasn’t there. But I do know that Christians and Muslim do live in Israel with the Jews and they have the same rights as Israeli citizens.
YOU ARE SPOUTING DELUSIONAL NONSENSE… AGAIN
Israel Bans Arab Parties from Election, Is This Iran?
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/01/13/israel-bans-arab-parties-from-election-is-this-iran/

Stephen Hawking’s support for the boycott of Israel is a turning point
Boycotting Israel as a stance for justice is going mainstream – Israelis can no longer pretend theirs is in an enlightened country
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/09/stephen-hawking-palestinian-boycott-israel-history

MEANWHILE IN REALITY….
YES MUSLIMS ,CHRISTIANS AND JEWS LIVED PEACEFULLY IN PALESTINE BEFORE THE CREATION OF MODERN ISRAEL
…EXCEPT FOR THE ZIONIST TERRORISTS OF COURSE MURDERING ARABS ,GENTILES AND JEWS ALIKE
THERE IS NO REASON ,SECULAR OR RELIGIOUS ,FOR A MODERN ISRAEL TO EXIST!
IT HAS NOT FULFILLED ITS U.N. REQUIREMENTS TO BE RECOGNISED AS A MODERN NATION ANYWAY
ITS CONTINUED FORCED EXISTANCE WILL ONLY CREATE MORE BLOODSHED
A FALSE NATION
FOR A FALSE PEOPLE
WITH A FALSE BELIEF
…BUT AS THE PALESTINIANS ALSO BELIEVE IN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM ,THEY SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND ACCEPT THAT ITS GODS WILL… HE IS ALL POWERFUL AND ALL KNOWING AFTER ALL ..ACCORDING TO ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS
……BUT ACCORDING TO CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE?!?!?!!?

FYI JEWISH HOMELAND NONSENSE
Ellen Levy-Coffman
The focus of the present study is to analyze and reassess Ashkenazi results obtained by DNA researchers and synthesize them into a coherent picture of Jewish genetics, interweaving historical evidence in order to obtain a more accurate depiction of the complex genetic history of this group.
One important contribution to Ashkenazi DNA appears to have originated with the Khazars, an ancient people of probable Central Asian stock that lived in southern Russia during the 8th-12th centuries CE.
http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm
THERE IS A JEWISH HOMELAND FOR THESE PEOPLE ALREADY BIROBIDZHAN.
A documentary film, L’Chayim, Comrade Stalin! on Stalin’s creation of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast and its partial settlement by thousands of Russian and Yiddish-speaking Jews was released in 2003. As well as relating the history of the creation of the proposed Jewish homeland, the film features scenes of life in contemporary Birobidzhan and interviews with Jewish residents.
According to the NY Times, Stalin established the city to protect secular Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidjan
Far from Jews being forcibly exiled to Birobidjan, there were extensive worldwide efforts to promote this Soviet Jewish homeland project, including ‘Ambidjan’, the American Birobidjan Committee, whose officials included Albert Einstein and the prominent American Jewish author B.Z. Goldberg

THERE ALREADY IS A JEWISH HOMELAND
A REAL JEWISH HOMELAND
BIROBIDJAN
SO PLEASE LEAVE PALESTINE IN PEACE
IF YOU REALLY NEED TO LIVE IN PALESTINE IMMIGRATE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES!!

MOSHE DOES ANY OF THIS SOUND FAMILIAR ? DELUSIONAL DISORDER
This is what ALL Abrahamic monotheists suffer from….A DELUSIONAL DISORDER
A person with delusional disorder may be high functioning in daily life and may not exhibit odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) defines six subtypes of the disorder characterized as erotomanic, grandiose, jealous, persecutory, somatic, and mixed, i.e., having features of more than one subtypes.The following can indicate a delusion:
1.The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force. (Adrian James Honan)
2.That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3.Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4.The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief. (John Parsons)
5.There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly. (Matthew Ludgate)
6.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility. (Matthew Ludgate)(Adrian James Honan)
7.The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient’s social or cultural background.
8.The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his or her psyche.
9.The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs. (Matthew Ludgate)
10.Individuals who know the patient will observe that his or her belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
MOSHE ,THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING JEWISH
PEOPLE CAN BE CULTURALLY JEWISH AND STILL BEHAVE LIKE DECENT HUMANE BEINGS
HERE ARE SOME JEWISH PEOPLE THAT CAN BEHAVE LIKE HUMANE BEINGS
BOTH RELIGIOUS
Haredi rabbis do not consider Israel to be a halachic Jewish state because it is secular.Others reject any possibility of a Jewish state, since according to them a Jewish state is completely forbidden by Jewish law, and a Jewish state is considered an oxymoron
Many other Hasidic groups, most famously the Satmar Hasidim as well as the larger movement they are part of in Jerusalem, the Edah HaChareidis, are strongly anti-Zionist. One of the best known Hasidic opponent of all forms of modern political Zionism was Hungarian rebbe and Talmudic scholar Joel Teitelbaum. In his view, the current State of Israel, which was founded by people that included some anti-religious personalities in seeming violation of the traditional notion that Jews should wait for the Jewish Messiah, is seen as contrary to Judaism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
AND SECULAR
Einstein compares the creators of Israel to Nazis and fascists and terrorists. Einstein then supportted Birobidjhan the secualr Jewish homeland.
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/zionism-modern-nazism/

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING JEWISH
I KNOW MANY JEWISH AND ISRAELLI PEOPLE AND COUNT THEM AMOUNST MY CLOSE FRIENDS
JUST AS I COUNT GERMANS AND JAPANESE AS CLOSE FRIENDS
BUT ITS BEING A RACE OR CULTURAL SURPEMECIST THAT IS A PROBLEM
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM PROMOTES CULTURAL AND RACIAL SUPERIORITY
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS JUST ORIGINAL FASCISM AND TURNS MEN INTO ANIMALS
IT IS THIS MIND-SET THAT BELIEVES IN ABSURDITIES THAT ENABLES THEM TO COMMIT ATTROCITIES AND EVEN TO DEFEND SUCH ATTROCITIES AS GOOD AND BENIGN AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO BECAUSE ITS GOD WILL
REMEMBER ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS KNOW WHAT GOD IS THINKING
…REMEMBER GOD HATES THE ALL SAME PEOPLE THAT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS DO?!?!(isn’t that right Moshe?)
BE THEY JEWISH

Abrahamic Monotheism Part 1 – The Invention of Judaism

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-judaism/

OR CHRISTIAN
Abrahamic Monotheism Part 2 – The Invention of Christianity

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-christianity/

OR ISLAMIC
Abrahamic Monotheism Part 3 – The Invention of Islam

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/the-invention-of-islam/

THESE DELUSIONAL BELIEFS INCLUDE A DESIRE TO END LIFE ON EARTH
SO THIER GOD CAN ARRIVE ON A WHITE HORSE AND RULE THE WORLD
….WITH THEM AT THIER SIDE,

THESE PRIMITIVE BARBARIC BELIEFS ENDANGER THE VERY EXISTANCE OF HUMANITY

BUT DO NOT ASK THEM TO PROVE THIER MYTHS ..ITS THE WORD OF GOD YOU KNOW…. AND THAT IS ENOUGH!?!?!
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS AVOID ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS AND WILL NOT HAVE THIER RELICS VERIFIED,WHILE ANCIENT PAGAN TEMPLES GET VERIFIED BY MODERN SCIENCE EVERY DAY
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTS ALSO FLEE FROM FACTS LIKE VAMPIRES FROM SUNLIGHT(FYI NO I DO NOT BELIEVE IN VAMPIRES EITHER)
THEY WILL ONLY TRY AND SHOOT THE MESSENGER
JUST LIKE MOSHE HAS TRIED TO DO

ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM IS JUST ORIGINAL FASCISM
A FALSE BELIEF SYSTEM CONTAINING RE-WRITTEN PAGANISM
INVENTED BY MEN WITH GREED IN THIER HEARTS AND SWORDS IN THIER HANDS
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM HAS BEEN A MENTAL DISEASE AND A PLAGUE ON HUMANITY
IT SPREAD DISEASE ,SLAVERY ,IGNORANCE ,LIES ,BLOODSHED AND MISERY
IT THREATENS THE VERY CONTINUATION OF HUMANITY
IT JUST MAKES HUMANS SCARED AND IGNORANT
MAKES THEM BELIEVE ABSURDITIES ,SO THEY CAN COMMIT ATTROCITIES
JUST LIKE MOSHE HAS DEMONSTRATED WITH HIS DELUSIONAL BELIEFS IN ANCIENT NON-EXISTANT MONOTHEISTIC HEBREWS,WITH HIS DELUSIONAL CLAIMS OF DESCENT ,A FANTASY TEMPLE AND A SANTA CLAUS FOR HEBREWS CALLED SOLOMON
PLEASE MOSHE SHOW ME THE REAL EVIDENCE THAT PROVES THAT SOLOMON OR HIS TEMPLE EXISTED OR THE KINGDOM OF DAVID OR AN EXODUS OF MONOTHEISTS LEFT EGYPT OR YOUR CONNECTION WITH SEMITIC PEOPLE
WHAT REAL BENEFITS HAS THIS DELUSIONAL INVENTED BELIEF SYSTEM BROUGHT TO HUMANITY ANYWAY?
AS I SAID ITS JUST ORIGINAL FASCISM AND IT HAS BROUGHT MISERY TO MANKIND
THE SOONER HUMANITY GETS OVER ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM THE BETTER!!!
IT IS THE 21ST CENTURY AD NOT BC
STOP TRYING TO PROMOTE ANCIENT PRIMITIVE BARBARISM AND BRING IT TO THE MODERN 21ST CENTURY

ZIONISM SHARES THE SAME ROOTS AS NAZISM ,YOU ARE DELSUIONAL IF YOU DENY THIS
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/zionism-modern-nazism/
ZIONISM IS JUST NAZISMS F*CKED UP LITTLE BROTHER
DELUSIONAL IDEOLOGY AND A MASTER RACE ,CHOSEN ONE MIND-SET
NAZIS TOOK DEVASTATED COUNTRIES AND TURNED THEM INTO SUPERPOWERS
ZIONISM TAKES SUPERPOWERS AND TURNS THAM INTO DEVASTATED COUNTRIES
NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A PROUD GERMAN, BUT BEING A NAZI IS A PROBLEM!!
NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A PROUD JEW , BUT BEING A ZIONIST IS A PROBLEM!!

MOSHE COMPARE YOUR DELUSIONAL ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISTIC RANTINGS TO A REAL ANCIENT BELIEF SYSTEM LIKE DRUIDISM
Druidism is it Brahimism 18,000 years old?
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/druidism-was-it-western-hinduism-18000-years-old/
AND A REAL CULTURE AND RACE LIKE THE CELTS, YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT OUR REAL TEMPLES THAT ARE OVER 10,000 YEARS OLD AND CHECK OUR DNA
History of the Celtic people a story over 50,000 years
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-history-of-the-celtic-people/

I AM SORRY MOSHE BUT 3,000 YEARS AND NO RELICS TO BE FOUND
NO SOLOMONS TEMPLE
NO SOLOMON
NO KINGDOM OF DAVID
NO ISRAELI EMPIRE
NO EXODUS
AND YOU HAVE NO DNA GENETIC CONNECTION WITH THE ANCIENT HEBREWS
YOUR BELIEFS ARE DELUSIONAL AND NONSENSE
ITS RE-WRITTEN PAGANISM ,AKA ORIGINAL FASCISM
IT WOULD OF BEEN WRITTEN BY NON-RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ,AS THEY RE-WROTE THE PREVIOUS RELIGIOUS TEXTS ,SO THEY OBVIOUSLY DID NOT BELIEVE IN THEM

TRUTH CAN HANDLE AWKWARD QUESTIONS AND SO CAN ENLIGHTENMENT
ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM NEEDS LIES THREATS AND DOGMA TO SURVIVE
IT IS THEREFORE NEITHER TRUTHFUL NOR ENLIGHTENING

YOU WANT TO BE RELIGIOUS?
IT IS YOUR RIGHT AND I WILL DEFEND IT
BUT IT IS NO EXCUSE TO MURDER AND STEAL
PLEASE FIND DEISM OR VEDIC BRAHIMISM  OR SHINTO OR BUDDHISM OR CONFUSIONISM IF YOU WANT TO FIND RELIGION
THESE ARE MUCH MORE ANCIENT AND TRUTHFUL RELIGIOUS TEXTS THAN ANYTHING ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM HAS PRODUCED
ARCHEOLOGY AND DNA AND EVEN MODERN SCIENCE AGREES WITH THESE ANCIENT WISDOMS
THESE ARE REAL AND ANCIENT BELIEFS
(…OR YOU CAN EVEN JUST INVENT YOUR OWN VERSION OF A RELIGION)

…OF COURSE YOU COULD ALL (JEWISH ,CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM) BE WORKING FOR SATAN
BELIVEING LIES AND COMMITTING ATTROCITIES AND TOO INDOCTRINATED TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT
IMHO ABRHAMIC MONOTHEISM COULD ONLY MAKE SENSE IF ABRAHAM WORSHIPPED SATAN
IN FACT ABRAHAMIC MONOTHEISM COULD BE EVIL WORSHIP OR ANTI-SPIRITUALISM OR MATERIALSIM AKA SATANISM
ITS BOOKS ARE LIES(TORAH ,BIBLE ,KORAN)…WE KNOW FROM ARCHEOLOGY
ITS WORDS STOLEN AND RE-WRITTEN FROM PAGAN ORIGINALS ..ITS IS A CORRUPTION OF ANCIENT TRUTH
ITS EFFECTS ON THE REAL WORLD ARE MONSTEROUS…ITS SPREADS IGNORANCE ,PREJUDICE ,PAEDOPHILIA ,VIOLENCE ,DISEASE ,GENOCIDE, THEFT AND SLAVERY
IT DEMANDS HUMAN SACRIFICE AND CHILD SEX RITUALS ARE POPULAR WITH ITS HOLY MEN
…SURE SOUNDS LIKE EVIL WORSHIP TO ME
https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/the-greatest-hoax-ever-abrahamic-monotheism-is-it-really-just-satanism/
PERSONALLY I AM AN ATHEIST AND BLAME MAN NOT GODS
An atheists Open Letter to Abrahamic Monotheists (Judaic, Christian and Islamic)

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/an-atheists-open-letter-to-abrahamic-monotheists-judaic-christian-and-islamic/

Atheism the Oldest and most popular belief

https://cuthulan.wordpress.com/2012/04/06/atheism-the-oldest-most-popular-diverse-and-beneficial-belief-in-the-world/

SO MOSHE WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE ?

YOU MAKE SOME BIG CLAIMS ,SO YOU NEED SOME BIG EVIDENCE……..OR COULD IT BE YOU ARE JUST DELUSIONAL
…JUST AS DELUSIONAL AS THE BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN CRUSADER OR THE ISLAMIC JIHADIST WHO BOTH BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THE ABRAHAMIC MONOTHESTS GODS WILL
….WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE JUST COMMITTING ATTROCITES AND APOLOGISING FOR THEM BY BLAMING AN INVENTED SKY GOD

I WOULD IMAGINE ,IF THERE IS A GOD ,YOU ARE REALLY PISSING HIM/HER/THEM OFF!!!!

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2 Responses to A Conversation With A Zionist

  1. Ten Adres says:

    Great web site you have got here.. It’s difficult to find good quality writing like yours nowadays. I really appreciate people like you! Take care!!

  2. cuthulan says:

    Reblogged this on Cuthulan's Blog and commented:

    With Gaza under fire from “gods chosen ones” here is a reblogged post that demonstrates the mind set of zionists.
    They believe they are gods chosen BUT are humble? They believe they are “semitic” ,just like Ali-G believes he is black!(COS ITS I IS SEMITIC!) They believe that they have the right to own the Levant ,dispite the fact that people have been living there for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!……But of coarse its everyone else who is to blame because we are anti-semitic ,jew haters and all love Arab terrorists and jews never do anything wrong because they are humble and beloved of god?!?!?!
    WHEN IN FACT THEY BELIEVE ABSURDITIES AND COMMIT ATROCITIES!!

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